10/20 river value bet?

[edge]

6-handed. UTG folds, I make it 80 with 88 and 2200 behind, folded around to forum superstar Tizerd in BB who covers and calls. He plays a straightforward TAG game with a few weird/tricky moves preflop.

Flop TT8 with two diamonds and 170 in the pot.

Tizerd checks, I bet 125 (I do this every single time after raising), he makes it 300, I call.

Turn offsuit Q with 770 in the pot.

He bets 450, I call.

River offsuit J with 1670 in the pot.

He checks. I have somewhere around 1350 left.

[jamazon]

What did you put him on to call all those bets?

If you think he has something, shove. If not, bet small. Not that hard right?

[MDMA]

Push without hesitation, somewhat surprised you're even asking this. By the way, "forum superstar", I still don't get who Tizerd is [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

[tom441lbk]

You think TIZ, is capable of trying to move you off overcards/overpair here on this board?

If you think he has a T on the flop should you 3bet and make it look like you have a big pair? How do you play AA here?

What size bet are you thinking 500-900??

If you bet a non committing amount do you flod to a ckraise push?

edit: would a ckraise push obv be Ts full?

[creedofhubris]

How is this not a push?

[daniel1222]

Ugh, I saw this. You'll never believe what he did.

btw, this guy, dano 721 on 'Pappa's boat" on PP 10-20 is almost done giving away 10,000, most of which he made by going all-in for 4000 w TPTK on a 6 8 10 board w A10 in response to a pot bet of 250, getting called, and sucking out w a river ace to beat 68.

[luckychewy]

I think making a play on the turn is a much better line.
As it is now will he ever call with anything worse? - doubtful

What hand could you have called flop and turn with that he will pay off? - seems like nothing

Will he ever fold a better hand? - never

Checking down eights full here seems like your missing huge value, what would suck would be making a small value bet and then him coming over the top...I really don't know what the correct play is here that's why I like making a move on the turn.
Also, how would you have played A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]?

[edge]

If I push, what worse hand calls?

[Spladle]

What hands do you think he is check-raising the flop with?

What hands do you think he is betting the turn with?

[edge]

The flop checkraise means nothing. After I call and he bets the turn, it looks like he has a T or a decent pair. Whether or not I choose to believe him is up to me. I think the way I played it makes it hard for him to call a river push with anything weaker than a 9. I should probably just push the turn and hope he has a T.