Do you fold KK prelfop in this situation??

[highlite15]

$2-4NL on Party Poker, I bought in for $300 and worked it up to about $575.
I get KK UTG and raise to $18. I get called from the button and then comes
an all-in bet of $400 from the SB!! I don't have any notes or information on
this player as I never played with him before and he just sat down. What do
you do? I thought about it for 15 seconds and called. Didn't hit a K and
there was a Q on board and I knew I had lost even before I saw his cards.
Only likely hands I could beat were AK or JJ outside chance of TT or 99, if
he had AA I was smashed from the jump and if he had QQ he had caught up and
hit his set.

Have you ever folded KK preflop and in that situation would you? Every
article or story I have read about pros and similar situations wither cash
game or tourney none of them say they lay KK down preflop. I read 1 story
about you laying it down in a tourney once and the kid flips up AQ. So was
I wrong to call? I think I might have been in hind sight, but I honestly
really just do not know if I was wrong or right? The facts are I am only a
dog to 1 hand AA and at least 3-1 fav to any Ax and 4-1 against any smaller
pair or non Ace unpaired hand like JTs.

I wouldn't know what to do if the situation came up again that's why I need
your expertise, how do you fold KK preflop for only 1 single reraise albeit
all-in. And this player just sat down thats why he had his full $400 buy-in
so I knew absolutely nothing about how he played. Not knowing anything
about the player I have seen people make that move with a hand as weak as 99
or TT just to shut down the pot and take the preflop bets. I see ppl doing
it with AK and QQ all day. Just don't know. First time for everything and
that was the first time I ever lost with KK to AA all-in preflop that big in
a cash game. I just can't say he has AA and fold when I smash every other
hand he could have. My radar isn't that good if it was I would be playing
with the best in the world, and if I fold and he shows QQ or AKs I would
probably feel even worse making the mistake of folding the winner than I did
making the mistake of calling with the loser.

Thanks

[Jamougha]

tl/dr

no

[MaddHatter]

BBV - Use Search function - blah blah blah - great 1st post, I'm so intrigued...

[BalugaWhale]

ahahaha here we go again

it was a good pf call

[traz]

Don't be complete douches, its his first post =/

Your post is too long though, most people won't read more than the topic title. To answer your question, the answer is no, I wouldn't fold kk in that spot. I'd only consider folding them if i'm 4-bet.

[4_2_it]

For 100bbs or less I'm not folding to an unknown. Now if this guy was a 3/1, then we have someting to talk about.

[mrh86]

Paying people off when you have the second nuts is rarely a mistake. You could use the old "I have $18 invested, so why should I put in $382 more" logic, but these kinds of situations in addition to variance is why we keep a large bankroll.

[theben]

heres a tip--

post a hand history (they should be stored somewhere on your computer), use the hand history converter, make sure you give as much detail as possible (reads, stats, FR/6max/SH, where at, stacks, positions, etc etc) and post this in mid-stakes forum

you'll get more replies and better ones and its more easy on all our eyes too

[djoyce003]

[ QUOTE ]
heres a tip--

don't post hands asking whether you should fold KK preflop

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FYP

[Mr_Donktastic]

i made this same play from the bb last time at foxwoods...giant overbet with AA cuz I knew the guy UTG had KK...(he called $180 more with only $8 invested). I made the play cuz I didn't want him to get scared by an A on the flop or a 3-suited flop, etc...and I wanted to 'disguise' my aces.

It's one of the toughest things to do but if you can lay down KK here you are better than most players out there.

You probably had a feeling he had AA right? I mean, he just sat down (I'm usually uncomfortable when i first sit), he saw you raise UTG for 4.5 the BB, get called, and then he decided to push all in?

I'm not a fan of - "well, I'm never gonna fold KK preflop" - its just not good poker. You play the cards, don't let them play you.

Just FYI - I'm not good enough yet to laydown KK preflop. I almost did once, and my read was right, but I just couldn't do it. I call that a leak in my game - not just, "oh well, whatdya gonna do"