2/4 - Do you raise this river?

[PokerSparky]

Villain was Lagish and a bit overaggro postflop - 34/14.2/3.4

Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (4 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

Preflop: Hero is BB with 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, SB completes, Hero checks.

Flop: (2 SB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets</font>, Hero calls.

Turn: (2 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">SB 3-bets</font>, Hero calls.

River: (8 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets</font>, Hero?

Final Pot: 12 BB

[counterspell]

this guy raises most if not all of his ace-high hands preflop, so raise/call i guess.

[Dane190]

Why not raise the flop?
If i has a FD then let him pay. And i guess you got to call the river, even do why are not good many times here, he could have a flush.

[onnel]

If he's really over aggro and you think he'll bite, then I raise the flop.

As to the river, he could have an A or a flush. There's a roughly 8% chance that he has an A, 2% that he has TT and 3% chance that he has a flush. So there's roughly a 15% chance of you losing.

I'm betting.

Onnel

P.S. I'm a self-confessed newbie, so if someone sees a problem with my logic, do point it out please!

[kapw7]

He doesn't look like an idiot so I doubt he bets a flush on the river.
So this is either a desperate bluff (with K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] or something) or he is ahead (or chopping).
In any case there isn't a lot of value in a river raise.

[Peter Harris]

have you seen villain be tricky preflop? if so then we can include Ax, AA, TT as hands they'll opencomplete PF.

if not, then i think we have to assume villain hit the flush on the turn rather than an ace, which makes the river raise safe. But, i'd like more info before i made a decision, and if i had any inkling they were tricky, i'd just call. ask yourself, can you fold to a 3bet, because even an aggro of 3 won't be likely to 3bet the flush on the river, and there are more Ax combos than 8x combos.

[Lost_My_Stink]

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Why not raise the flop?

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This guy should get a medal!

Raise the flop. If 3 bet, just chk call all the way.

You have to ask is there any value in raising this river. If he's bluffing, he's going to fold. If he has an 8 he's going to raise or call and you split, and if he has an Ace, he'll 3 bet and then are you willing to fold? I don't see any value in raising this river.