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Old 04-04-2006, 10:10 PM
bambam16 bambam16 is offline
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Default WSOP Step 4: TPTK on 3 club board, what\'s my play?

Hi all,

In WSOP Step 4 early, no reads on Villian or other player. I was a little confused what to do here. Thoughts?

Thanks in advance.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t40 (10 handed) converter

UTG+2 (t2000)
MP1 (t1960)
MP2 (t2170)
Hero (t2000)
CO (t1980)
Button (t1870)
SB (t1960)
BB (t2000)
UTG (t2000)
UTG+1 (t2060)

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, MP1 calls t40, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t150</font>, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, BB calls t110, MP1 calls t110.

Flop: (t470) 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
BB checks, MP1 checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets t300</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises to t900</font>, MP1 folds, Hero ???
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Old 04-04-2006, 10:14 PM
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Default Re: WSOP Step 4: TPTK on 3 club board, what\'s my play?

POOOOSH!!!

set? no
2 pair? no
flush? doubtful he'd re-raise
TP Flush draw? DING DING DING!
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Old 04-04-2006, 10:17 PM
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Default Re: WSOP Step 4: TPTK on 3 club board, what\'s my play?

Fold is fine.

Set is entirely likely so is 2 pair.

I'd also might want to check behind to play a small pot with your hand. Acxx is liable to make this play and this decision is difficult.
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Old 04-04-2006, 10:17 PM
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Default Re: WSOP Step 4: TPTK on 3 club board, what\'s my play?

At first, I thought that was the plain and simple answer, as well.

Note, however, that busting early in a step 4 is not good at all because of the structure of the steps.

Therefore, I'm undecided and would like to hear some debate from other posters.

Ryan
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Old 04-04-2006, 10:31 PM
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Default Re: WSOP Step 4: TPTK on 3 club board, what\'s my play?

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Fold is fine.

Set is entirely likely so is 2 pair.

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You think BB went along for the ride w/ 33 or 66? OR K3? K6? 63??? The odds he has KK and C/R that board are very slim. He could I guess have AxAc...but esp. since Hero has AK on K high board...I think other than that and the small chance he made his flush Hero is ahead.

Hero leading the flop looks like a C-bet/steal, and villan very well may try to C/R given that even TPTK like he has may lay it down, this makes a semi-bluff ideal for villan.

I don't know what the strucutre of these STEPS are but c'mon...I'm pushing all day
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Old 04-04-2006, 10:36 PM
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Default Re: WSOP Step 4: TPTK on 3 club board, what\'s my play?

Maybe I was a little off my game today, but I was honestly confused about this hand. The structure of the Steps does make me question what to do as well, as 10th pays $50, 9th takes you down to Step 2, 6-8th down to Step 3, 3-5 stay at Step 4, and 1 and 2 moving on to Step 5. It was also early and I didn't have good reads, but him being in the BB made me put him on a wider range of hands.

I'd like to hear other opinions though, I'm here to learn. Thanks.
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Old 04-04-2006, 10:41 PM
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Default Re: WSOP Step 4: TPTK on 3 club board, what\'s my play?

Def. fold.

You have no club, and villain is pot committed.

Plus, BB can have absolutely anything.

Wouldn't you rather find a better spot?
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Old 04-04-2006, 10:44 PM
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Default Re: WSOP Step 4: TPTK on 3 club board, what\'s my play?

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Plus, BB can have absolutely anything.

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Alright now I'm interested guys...maybe this is a leak for me.

I'ld love to see someone provide a range for BB here, and then use it to justify a fold.
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Old 04-05-2006, 10:44 AM
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Default Re: WSOP Step 4: TPTK on 3 club board, what\'s my play?

Ok, well I was too weak here and decided to fold. I could really only put him on AcKx or KxQc, and didn't want to risk just getting $50. Probably a weak fold that cost me a lot of chips, but oh well, live and learn.
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Old 04-07-2006, 11:13 PM
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Default Re: WSOP Step 4: TPTK on 3 club board, what\'s my play?

This is a fold I think a lot of it doing with prize structure. Overplaying top pair here would be a big mistake.
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