Where Did God Go For These People?

Mrs. Utah · #1 03-30-2006, 09:59 PM

I didnt see this posted yet. I apologize if it has.

Study shows prayer doesnt help heart surgery patients. If the study is accurate, doesnt that put a major dent in many people's concept of religon and prayer? Does the study, if accurate, provide evidence of a lack of God?

http://www.usatoday.com/news/health/...y_x.htm?csp=34

BCPVP · #2 03-30-2006, 10:14 PM

No and no.

bunny · #3 03-30-2006, 10:16 PM

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I didnt see this posted yet. I apologize if it has.

Study shows prayer doesnt help heart surgery patients. If the study is accurate, doesnt that put a major dent in many people's concept of religon and prayer? Does the study, if accurate, provide evidence of a lack of God?

http://www.usatoday.com/news/health/...y_x.htm?csp=34

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It certainly provides evidence against the efficacy of intercessionary prayer (and hence evidence against God as usually portrayed).

yukoncpa · #4 03-30-2006, 10:31 PM

Here's what Koenig of Duke University had to say on the matter: "There is no god in either the Christian, Jewish or Muslim scriptures that can be constrained to the point that they can be predicted. Within the Christian tradition, God would be expected to be concerned with a person's eternal salvation, he said, and "why would God change his plans for a particular person just because they're in a research study?"

quinn · #5 03-30-2006, 10:41 PM

Thou shalt not test the Lord thy God.

It is entirely plausible that God would abstain from helping people who pray not out of faith but unfaithful inquiry.

If a test like this showed a correlation between prayer and healing, it would suggest that the power of prayer lies in something besides the Christian God.

DougShrapnel · #6 03-30-2006, 10:49 PM

Yes, No.

Sharkey · #7 03-30-2006, 10:50 PM

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If the study is accurate, doesnt that put a major dent in many people's concept of religon and prayer? Does the study, if accurate, provide evidence of a lack of God?

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If the studies indicating the contrary are accurate, what would that prove?

DougShrapnel · #8 03-30-2006, 10:54 PM

That prayer is effective.

bunny · #9 03-30-2006, 10:57 PM

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If the study is accurate, doesnt that put a major dent in many people's concept of religon and prayer? Does the study, if accurate, provide evidence of a lack of God?

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If the studies indicating the contrary are accurate, what would that prove?

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It would prove that intercessionary prayer worked.

Mrs. Utah · #10 03-30-2006, 11:44 PM

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Here's what Koenig of Duke University had to say on the matter: "There is no god in either the Christian, Jewish or Muslim scriptures that can be constrained to the point that they can be predicted. Within the Christian tradition, God would be expected to be concerned with a person's eternal salvation, he said, and "why would God change his plans for a particular person just because they're in a research study?"

[/ QUOTE ]Wow. That is quite silly. So, the defense against the ineffectivenss of prayer is that you can't measure it? How convenient. Can a scientist/theorist/doctor use the same argument for every single failed study - "Well, the results mean nothing because God would never be constrained so that the rules he created governing the universe would be measurable by a study. And of course, God would only be concerned a person's internal salvation and not a silly study. Of course, we need to suspend the whole incredibly retarded notion of God creating man so God can save him".