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Old 03-27-2006, 07:59 PM
Checkov Checkov is offline
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Default To Raise Or Not To Raise.

To Raise Or Not To Raise?

Live Game
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $1/$2
6 players
Manually Converted

Stack sizes:
UTG: $200,000
UTG+1: $46.10
Hero: $1,900
Button: $3,000
SB: $400
BB: $500

2/4 NL
Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is CO with KK (hearts/diamonds)
UTG folds, UTG+1 bets $4, Hero raises $11, Button calls, SB calls, BB calls.
Pot $75

Flop: 6 spades, 5 clubs, K clubs (Hero has a set)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero checks, Button bets $15, SM calls, BB calls, UTG+1 folds, Hero raises to $75 – all fold.

Final pot: $120

Question:

SB and BB were typical players, neither loose nor tight. Button was loose.

Should Hero have raised to $75 to push out all draws? Was it too big a bet? Would a small bet or small raise have kept the callers in? If so, is it advantage to make this bet with a flush and straight draw on the board?
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Old 03-27-2006, 08:02 PM
metsandfinsfan metsandfinsfan is offline
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Default Re: To Raise Or Not To Raise.

hard to say .... club draw was definitely there and 3 callers is too many .... 120 in the pot 75 is a fair bet ... i cannot find much fault
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Old 03-27-2006, 08:55 PM
cata1yst cata1yst is offline
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Default Re: To Raise Or Not To Raise.

I am definitely raising around same amount there.

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Old 03-27-2006, 09:02 PM
deviouz deviouz is offline
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Default Re: To Raise Or Not To Raise.

first of all, I think it depends on what kind of players they are, normally, I personally think the pot size bet is to big, it often drives all the players out, half the pot would still allow them to make a misstake by calling against te odds if they where on a straight or a flush draw, they would just get about 3 to 1 on their money,
if the oponents are calling stations, or if you are sure they will call anyway, then I think pot size is just fine,
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Old 03-27-2006, 09:04 PM
Peeda Peeda is offline
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Default Re: To Raise Or Not To Raise.

Bets pretty small actually 55+45+heros 15 = 115. 60 more on top is like half pot. This is really the bare minimum you can raise. Giving good odds to suck out on you. If a clubs comes are you folding this? Raise near pot to 120 maybe. By not raising this much you're really just setting yourself up to be doubled through.

Probably just better to lead the flop for a good amount though so you can make more from weaker hands like AK or KQ, strong hands will still come along or raise you and draws may call that flop as well.

Need to raise that preflop more a lot more, especially live, too many callers, hope every pot wasn't multiway like this.

Those are some ridiculous stacks as well.
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