J4s flop bottom 2, turn play?

Fryguy · #1 03-27-2006, 02:43 AM

BB is pretty passive 25/0/0.7, no read on UTG.

Seems like a pretty easy bet/fold?

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Preflop: Hero is SB with 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, 2 folds, CO calls, 1 fold, Hero completes, BB checks.

Flop: (5 SB) J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (5 players)
Hero bets, BB calls, UTG calls, UTG+1 folds, CO folds.

Turn: (4 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero ???

DQuinlan · #2 03-27-2006, 03:27 AM

:grunch:

3 handed I would consider check-calling this down due to the nice implied odds.

milesdyson · #3 03-27-2006, 03:31 AM

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3 handed I would consider check-calling this down due to the nice implied odds.

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what you just said doesnt make much sense

maniacut · #4 03-27-2006, 03:31 AM

definitely a bet...not an auto fold if it's raised. You might still have the best hand against a raise. And if not you have outs to improve.

VickreyAuction · #5 03-27-2006, 03:46 AM

Bet the turn. If you get raised, crap. I think the line you take after that depends on who raises you, but I favor a call down.

Lawman · #6 03-27-2006, 04:25 AM

with 4 players behind, anyone think about a c/r on the flop to make any flush draws pay (or check-call depending on where the bet comes from)?

SoftcoreRevolt · #7 03-27-2006, 04:29 AM

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with 4 players behind, anyone think about a c/r on the flop to make any flush draws pay (or check-call depending on where the bet comes from)?

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Who are we check raising? The bet out on the flop is the right play.

Xhad · #8 03-27-2006, 04:30 AM

Checking a monster in an A-high flush draw flop in an unraised pot is bad because you have no idea where a bet will come from (if at all) and they're much more likely to call the flop than the turn if it checks through.

Splossy · #9 03-27-2006, 04:46 AM

Grunch:

Bet it.

The way I've been thinking lately is: what will I do if they bet my check? If I'm not going to fold then it's cost the same as if I bet but I've thrown away the initiative. And when you could well be winning, there are other reasons why someone would bet and you have redraws to a full house, I don't think I'd fold if they bet. So bet/fold it instead.