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Old 03-24-2006, 11:07 PM
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Default JJ, UTG, 2nd hour of $3R

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t200 (9 handed) converter

MP3 (t6140)
CO (t10365)
Button (t22450)
SB (t10425)
BB (t18287)
Hero (t12400)
UTG+1 (t12225)
MP1 (t13465)
MP2 (t16000)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t550</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 raises to t1600</font>, <font color="#666666">6 folds</font>, Hero calls t1050.

Flop: (t3375) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 bets t4800</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t10775</font>.


How's this look? Mostly I'm unsure about the flop play. I was thinking C/R push once the flop went down, but did he bet enough that I needed to change my play? Or is it still the play?

edit: But I suppose PF could be a leak as well. Open to suggestions.

2nd edit: Read was that the guy was solid.
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Old 03-24-2006, 11:34 PM
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Default Re: JJ, UTG, 2nd hour of $3R

Seems pretty standard, would you rather have him check behind you and take a free turn card? What's your play on the turn if it misses your draw? I'm leaning more towards opening the flop with a push. You have some FE here, and you have some outs, a fold by him isn't bad, but I'm not mad if he calls.
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Old 03-24-2006, 11:37 PM
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Default Re: JJ, UTG, 2nd hour of $3R

er, i have over 10,000 chips on the flop and the pot is 3,300... =/
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Old 03-24-2006, 11:39 PM
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Default Re: JJ, UTG, 2nd hour of $3R

Meh you have 11 outs here like always. Seems fine though.

Lol I know that sounds wrong. But you occasionally have the best hand.
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Old 03-24-2006, 11:42 PM
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Default Re: JJ, UTG, 2nd hour of $3R

ok well that's kinda what i was asking -- is it right to willingly take 10/11 outs (are you giving me the backdoor flush out?) twice on the flop with only a 3,000 chip overlay?
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Old 03-24-2006, 11:45 PM
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Default Re: JJ, UTG, 2nd hour of $3R

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you occasionally have the best hand.

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do you think so? are you attributing this to the "amazingly bad player that has managed to fly under our radar" factor? because between the preflop reraise from a solid player and the flop overbet on a draw heavy board, that sure looks like an overpair like 90% of the time.
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Old 03-24-2006, 11:45 PM
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I certainly don't mind your line, as you're getting more value out of your hand/draw when he bets . . . however, what's your plan if he checks?
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Old 03-24-2006, 11:48 PM
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His range is JJ+,AKs,AKo (it's unlikely he has AQ+ and 88-1010, but certainly not impossible) given the way he played preflop. Now, on that flop, against his range, you're better than a 50% . . . I'm either open pushing or cr allin
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Old 03-24-2006, 11:54 PM
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Default Re: JJ, UTG, 2nd hour of $3R

i agree that if AKs/AKo are part of his range, it's a definite push. and i totally agree that that is his range after his preflop action (thus, the call) -- and I may even add TT.

the question is whether or not, given his flop bet, including AK in his range is still realistic.
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Old 03-24-2006, 11:55 PM
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His range is JJ+,AKs,AKo (it's unlikely he has AQ+ and 88-1010, but certainly not impossible) given the way he played preflop. Now, on that flop, against his range, you're better than a 50% . . . I'm either open pushing or cr allin

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His preflop range is those hands, not his flop range.
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