fold this KK anywhere?

nadical · #1 03-24-2006, 07:28 PM

No reads here but does anyone find a fold anywhere or raise turn even?
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Preflop: Hero is Button with K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
UTG raises, MP calls, Hero 3-bets, 1 fold, BB calls, UTG caps, MP calls, Hero calls, BB calls.

Flop: (16.40 SB) T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (4 players)
BB checks, UTG bets, MP calls, Hero raises, BB calls, UTG 3-bets, MP folds, Hero calls, BB calls.

Turn: (13.20 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB checks, UTG bets, Hero calls, BB raises, UTG calls, Hero calls.

River: (19.20 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB bets, UTG calls, Hero calls.

True · #2 03-24-2006, 07:30 PM

fold the turn after BB check/raises the 2 preflop and flop aggressors.

True

TheGunner · #3 03-24-2006, 07:32 PM

Yep, BB has you both beat.

sharpie · #4 03-25-2006, 02:00 AM

I'm not folding. The current pot size is 18BB and you're closing the action. I think you usually make at least 4BB implied when you hit, and the only hands you're drawing dead against, 42 and 47, seem very unlikely due to him having to call 2 cold PF. I think you're looking at a set the majority of the time but seeing a 2 pair where you have up to 8 outs wouldn't suprise me.

I'd end up also calling a river bet getting 21 to 1.

Kwaz · #5 03-25-2006, 02:12 AM

The turn is an easy call IMO.

The river is a fold UI but it's a very small mistake to call.

MrWookie · #6 03-25-2006, 03:17 AM

Why call the turn if you're folding the river?

testaaja · #7 03-25-2006, 03:21 AM

I'm folding this turn after BB checkraises. You've shown a great deal of aggression and still he checkraises.

True · #8 03-25-2006, 03:21 AM

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Why call the turn if you're folding the river?

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With implied odds we are getting the 21 : 1 needed.

I am not all that sold, because we have to make up 2 BB on the river. I spose this is pretty feasibe however. I am trying to see a reason not to call this turn, but I dont think there really is one. The only reason I wouldn't is because I think if the board pairs I will probably call. I think if we intend to ONLY raise this river if a K comes then it is profitable however I think we are 100% beat now, and if we waste a big bet each time the board pairs we are going to lose a lot of money.

True

Kwaz · #9 03-25-2006, 03:53 AM

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Why call the turn if you're folding the river?

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I'd consider a board pairing to be improvement.

Sandberg · #10 03-25-2006, 03:53 AM

Getting 18:1 on the turn, I think you have an overlay to hit your set.Call the turn.

Do not overcall that river. The river is an easy fold here.