50/100 6-max

MNpoker · #1 03-24-2006, 10:03 AM

Background:
I just sat down maybe 10 hands and villian has raised 8 or 9 preflop. I have played 1 hand taking it down without showing.

[edit: Just looked at PT, have played 380 hands with villian (all full table), he is 25/17/1.35 - WTR 54% WonR 40% - But I didn't know that when I was playing so maybe I shouldn't have included it?]

I don't EVER play 6-max so he should have no stats on me unless they are from full tables.

Party Poker 50.00/100.00 Hold'em (5 handed) link

Preflop: Hero is Button with 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
UTG raises, 1 folds, Hero 3-bets, SB calls, 1 folds, UTG caps, Hero calls, SB calls.

Flop: (13.00 SB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, UTG bets, Hero calls, SB calls.

Turn: (8.00 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, UTG bets, Hero raises, SB 3-bets, UTG caps, Hero calls, SB calls.

River: (20.00 BB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, UTG bets, Hero raises, SB folds, UTG 3-bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 26.00 BB.

How did I do?

poker1O1 · #2 03-24-2006, 12:09 PM

Given UTG capped preflop and that he's capping the turn, I'm just calling the river

stigmata · #3 03-24-2006, 12:26 PM

Obviously preflop was a bit much, but given that you thought at the time that he was a maniac then fair enough I guess. If the players behind were liable to come along (which they did) and/or cap it, then I would muck.

After he caps preflop/turn the situation looks kinda grim and i'm calling down.

Well_TiMeD · #4 03-24-2006, 12:28 PM

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Given UTG capped preflop and that he's capping the turn, I'm just calling the river

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yeah. he simply HAS to know one of you has a 5. Just call riv

James282 · #5 03-24-2006, 12:59 PM

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Given UTG capped preflop and that he's capping the turn, I'm just calling the river

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yeah. he simply HAS to know one of you has a 5. Just call riv

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No way he has to know that. The preflop action says just the opposite actually.

That said, I'm slowing down on the river here. We're basically praying for overplayed aces or kings, no? QQ and JJ seem just as likely(though that is discounted by the presence of them on the board). Also, we get just as much by overcalling and bringing along the SB while not risking getting three-bet by what will almost always be a better hand.
-James

ggbman · #6 03-24-2006, 01:52 PM

River raise is super bad cuz ur usually beat and yo ushut out the overcaller.

Well_TiMeD · #7 03-24-2006, 02:11 PM

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Given UTG capped preflop and that he's capping the turn, I'm just calling the river

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yeah. he simply HAS to know one of you has a 5. Just call riv

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No way he has to know that. The preflop action says just the opposite actually.

That said, I'm slowing down on the river here. We're basically praying for overplayed aces or kings, no? QQ and JJ seem just as likely(though that is discounted by the presence of them on the board). Also, we get just as much by overcalling and bringing along the SB while not risking getting three-bet by what will almost always be a better hand.
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I agree. my statement was a product of knowing heros hand. However, what CAN hero reasonably have here in villains eyes at this point? but what I generally meant was he is clearly afraid of nothing (villain that is). Not a 5, which seems to be the only real reasonable hand hero has here from villains point of view, imo. I think by river villain knows that, or just doesnt give a [censored]. Not that it really matters though. i think ivllain turns over QQ, JJ almost always

TStoneMBD · #8 03-25-2006, 12:45 AM

wow

ALL1N · #9 03-25-2006, 02:48 AM

Raise flop!

PokerAmateur4 · #10 03-25-2006, 03:38 AM

Argument for raising the flop: Raise the flop, so as to get rid of the SB stealing your pot on occasion. Here, the pot is large enough that the times that he wins offsets the times he contributes a little bit to the pot.

Argument for calling the flop: On the other hand, I think that its close in this regard, and that you may be able to extract more from both of them with just a call, through deception.

Decision: Call.

River: I don't know how maniac was playing besides PF, but if he was being nuts and raising 9/10 hands + playing agro post, than I would say cap the river, he can be going nuts on AA/KK, and since he is a maniac and knows you know he's a maniac, he could think that you are trying to exploit him with QA or something.