Statistical data proving internet poker is rigged

[Brock Landers]

How come none of the "online poker is rigged" people have never come up with any evidence? It doesn't seem like it would be that hard. Just set up a Poker Tracker-like program to data mine a hundred million or so hands (maybe not even this much, I'm not a statistician) and prove that there are more paired boards, flushes, quads, etc. I am sick of arguing with losing players that feel that they are so smart that they only lose because (insert site name) is rigged.

To all these people: Provide the evidence or shut up and admit you suck at poker.

[theben]

wow you are so smart. online poker is rigged dude

[Capo]

If you argue with losing players you have a fundamental misunderstanding about where your money comes from and why. I suggest you look into this.

[FlFishOn]

THere's little doubt that all players face a measure of collusive cheating and I believe that bots will present a serious problem in short order. That gives some weight to the claim that the games are not honest.

[jman220]

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If you argue with losing players you have a fundamental misunderstanding about where your money comes from and why. I suggest you look into this.

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Arguing with losign players to try to convince them they play badly and arguing with losing players to try to convince them that online poker is not rigged are two completely different things. The first one is stupid, and only enlightens the fishes. The second one defends the intergrity of the game, claims of "online poker is rigged" being unchallenged lead to a smaller fish pool for us all. Whenever I play in a B&M casino, and inevitably the conversation turns to online poker being rigged, I patiently explain, "No, its not really rigged, you just play more hands, play is more aggressive online, etc. etc."

[Peter Harris]

gods for a minute there i thought this was gonna be an "it *is* rigged" rant

[Capo]

wow, are you just following my posts trying to be a moron? Let's do a couple things here. First, read the original post. Next, let's establish some facts.

a) fish thinks online poker is rigged

b) fish is playing online poker

Now, by your rationale, the OPs actions are correct. However, please tell me how this could possibly improve the situation. Best possible outcome is that he continues to play, which offers no benefit over my advice of not arguing (assuming he would continue to play). however, suppose we take your advice and convince him that online poker is not rigged. He then realizes that his own bad play is what causes him to lose money and either

a) continues to play anyway

b) stops playing

Even if he continues to play, you are making a -EV longterm move when you increase the likelihood of a fish choosing to stop play.

[Hobbes413]

I'm guessing that there's some collusion going on, but really why sweat it if you're successful anyway.

People trade on insider stock market information all the time. Doesn't keep me from investing in my 401k.

[jman220]

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wow, are you just following my posts trying to be a moron? Let's do a couple things here. First, read the original post. Next, let's establish some facts.

a) fish thinks online poker is rigged

b) fish is playing online poker

Now, by your rationale, the OPs actions are correct. However, please tell me how this could possibly improve the situation. Best possible outcome is that he continues to play, which offers no benefit over my advice of not arguing (assuming he would continue to play). however, suppose we take your advice and convince him that online poker is not rigged. He then realizes that his own bad play is what causes him to lose money and either

a) continues to play anyway

b) stops playing

Even if he continues to play, you are making a -EV longterm move when you increase the likelihood of a fish choosing to stop play.

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What your scenario fails to take into account is the five other people playing at the table. Or the friends of those people. Or all the people who might happen upon a poker forum where "OMG ONLINE POKER IS RIGGED" is being discussed in an unrefuted manner. The REPUTATION of online poker is very important to its long term viability. Those of us that actually win money online depend on this reputation remaining positive. One day you too may be good enough to win at online poker (based on your posts thus far, I somewhat doubt it, but hey, you never know), and on that day you too will have a vested interest in the games reputation.

[Capo]

Your small stakes posts are adorable. Would you like to see my BR compared to yours? Shoot me a PM and we can meet up on Party. I am a fulltime player and this is my sole source of income.