Everyone Hate this Flop play?

Hybrid_11 · #1 03-20-2006, 07:31 PM

wanted to see the turn before i became aggressive since a raise wouldnt accomplish anything. This hated by everyone?

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Preflop: Hero is Button with Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
1 fold, UTG+1 calls, UTG+2 calls, 2 folds, MP3 raises, 1 fold, Hero 3-bets, SB calls, BB calls, UTG+1 calls, UTG+2 calls, MP3 calls.

Flop: (18 SB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (6 players)
SB bets, BB calls, UTG+1 calls, UTG+2 folds, MP3 calls, Hero calls??? :: disgusting?

SNOWBALL · #2 03-20-2006, 07:42 PM

R A I S E. You probably have the best hand, and there's no need to wait for the turn to committ your chips. You only fear about six cards.

BostonMetro · #3 03-20-2006, 07:46 PM

Yeah, you should just pop now. What if an aggro SB three-bets with ATo or JJ (he semi-cold called three PF)?

I would reserve the turn raise for a 2c Jh Th board, for example. Then you have about fifteen more scare cards.

five4suited · #4 03-20-2006, 08:05 PM

Answer: Yes
Reason: Uncoordinated board, value
Additionally: Say someone improves on the turn, or another Q hits the board. Perhaps they'll bet into you, or not believe you when you bet the Q.

river me please · #5 03-20-2006, 08:07 PM

Pop it one time. Make em pay. Seriously though I probably put the SB on AT or KT. There is only about 6 cards that scare you. A raise here accomplishes plenty. Puts your chips in the pot with the best of it.

NickPappagiorgio · #6 03-20-2006, 08:21 PM

Raise and trap the field for 2 bet while you can.

W. Deranged · #7 03-20-2006, 08:47 PM

I think you should raise, but my major concern is a reason I don't think anyone's brought up:

You have no gaurentee you'll get bet into on the turn.

You'd be amazed how often you will call here on the flop hoping to pop a safe turn and end up seeing a whole bunch of checks in front of you...

I also think that we likely have such high equity right now that passing up this value opportunity would be bad. If the turn card is a blank usually we're just going to lose the interest of a ton of our opponents. Our opponents usually will be wrong to have put 2 SB in on this flop, so let's capitalize on that. Failing to do so will let them often see the turn for 1 SB and then fold on the turn, playing the hand close to correctly. Raising now capitalizes on more mistakes.

P Chippa · #8 03-20-2006, 09:04 PM

In addition to the other replies, are you gonna let a K or an A fall off on the turn cheap? Charge as much as possible for that draw. If the bettor flopped a set or 2 pair, he'll let you know.