.5/1 Full Ring, Flop boat-slowplay?

CaucasianAsian29 · #1 03-16-2006, 02:42 AM

UTG+2 has been playing everyother hand, He's pretty aggresive and seems to try and pick up lots of pots, but folds to people playing back at him. I really feel I played this correctly, but I'm often told by better players than myself, to slowplay only rarely.
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Preflop: Hero is SB with T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
2 folds, UTG+2 calls, 2 folds, MP3 calls, 2 folds, Hero raises, 1 fold, UTG+2 calls, MP3 calls.

Flop: (7 SB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero checks, UTG+2 bets, MP3 folds, Hero calls.

Turn: (4.50 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, UTG+2 bets, Hero calls.

River: (6.50 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, UTG+2 bets, Hero raises, UTG+2 3-bets, Hero caps, UTG+2 calls.

Final Pot: 14.50 BB

Also Another Random Question-
In Small Stakes, I think I remember it saying that Mathmatically, it does not matter if you post your blind early. This does not seem correct to me because players lose money in the blinds. What's Up?

Thank you for all your replys

gdsdiscgolfer · #2 03-16-2006, 02:49 AM

Eh, with 7 SB, a flop bet won't fold many people out but will build a nice big pot to keep people in longer.

tehox · #3 03-16-2006, 02:50 AM

slowplay is good given reads

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In Small Stakes, I think I remember it saying that Mathmatically, it does not matter if you post your blind early. This does not seem correct to me because players lose money in the blinds. What's Up?

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In SSHE I think it says something like it is a trivial difference where you post your blinds. And it is only a fraction of a SB, so if you go to casino it might be better just to post than to have a "serious" image. But playing online you play multiple tables and switch tables alot, so these fractions of a bet add up to being a non-trivial amount, so it's better not to post early.

Mog · #4 03-16-2006, 02:52 AM

You can make a good case for check-calling the flop, but you should definitely raise on the turn. If he has a 9, he's not going to slow down much. There's no sense in waiting until the river.

CaucasianAsian29 · #5 03-16-2006, 02:56 AM

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slowplay is good given reads

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In Small Stakes, I think I remember it saying that Mathmatically, it does not matter if you post your blind early. This does not seem correct to me because players lose money in the blinds. What's Up?

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In SSHE I think it says something like it is a trivial difference where you post your blinds. And it is only a fraction of a SB, so if you go to casino it might be better just to post than to have a "serious" image. But playing online you play multiple tables and switch tables alot, so these fractions of a bet add up to being a non-trivial amount, so it's better not to post early.

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Okay, yah I was thinking, they were refering to live play in Small Stakes-makes sense. Thanks

Wetdog · #6 03-16-2006, 03:14 AM

I don't like to slowplay the flop if there was no other PFR. In this case it was you who pumped PF. The check was a big gamble given that board. Glad it worked out for you.

Turm is a definite bet out/call. I would hate to have another check behind if UTG+2 whiffs an AQ, AJ or worse hand.

As it played out it was good. These are tough ones to play without a read on the other guy. With a read that he's a loose cannon, I let him raise and call behind.

CaucasianAsian29 · #7 03-16-2006, 03:21 AM

So maybe, I should not have posted the river action, because it may change peoples replys. I felt I had a pretty strong read and that's why I slowplayed, against someone that might be TAG, I'd bet out and reraise.

Aaron W. · #8 03-16-2006, 03:48 AM

I had a similar flopped boat situation tonight. Party Poker gave me $50 for no reason, so this happened in the middle of mindless bonus clearing.

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Preflop: Hero is CO with 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
UTG calls, 5 folds, Hero raises, 1 fold, SB calls, 1 fold, UTG calls.

Flop: (7 SB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, UTG bets, Hero raises....

CaucasianAsian29 · #9 03-16-2006, 04:16 AM

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I had a similar flopped boat situation tonight. Party Poker gave me $50 for no reason, so this happened in the middle of mindless bonus clearing.

Party Poker 0.50/1 Hold'em (10 handed) internettexasholdem.com

Preflop: Hero is CO with 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
UTG calls, 5 folds, Hero raises, 1 fold, SB calls, 1 fold, UTG calls.

Flop: (7 SB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, UTG bets, Hero raises....

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Very similar situation, and your reraising. I think i would do this often, if you truly had the same read as I did would you have checked that flop? I understand that when you reraise the flop, opponents are not putting you 8,8.

Aaron W. · #10 03-16-2006, 12:57 PM

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I had a similar flopped boat situation tonight. Party Poker gave me $50 for no reason, so this happened in the middle of mindless bonus clearing.

Party Poker 0.50/1 Hold'em (10 handed) internettexasholdem.com

Preflop: Hero is CO with 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
UTG calls, 5 folds, Hero raises, 1 fold, SB calls, 1 fold, UTG calls.

Flop: (7 SB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, UTG bets, Hero raises....

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Very similar situation, and your reraising. I think i would do this often, if you truly had the same read as I did would you have checked that flop? I understand that when you reraise the flop, opponents are not putting you 8,8.

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When I flop a hand like this and villain is known to be aggressive, I play it fast. Getting him to spew once (say with A7 or maybe sometimes T8) will be far more valuable than me trapping him for one or two extra bets when he has a hand like QJ and decides to take a stab or two at the pot.

Notice that your reads was that he "folds to people playing back at him". A continuation bet on the flop is not playing back at him, but playing into him. I think a player as you describe will often find a raise here (he's in position) to take control of the hand. From that point on, it's a choice between going to war with him (flop 3-bet and never stop pushing) or trapping to get more bets out of him (call, check-call, check-raise and hope he pays you off). As I said before, I'm hoping to go to war.