party 2k turn spot - no converson

[Dave Mac]

**** Hand History for Game 3325199724 *****
$2000 PL Omaha - Friday, January 06, 16:27:33 EDT 2006
Table Table 66570 (No DP) (Real Money)
Seat 8 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: PARAB0LA ( $7589.50 )
Seat 2: willy59 ( $500 )
Seat 3: HurricanRati ( $11433 )
Seat 4: digiorg4 ( $1121 )
Seat 5: ConallCerna ( $2727 )
Seat 6: jamieposner ( $1970 )
Seat 7: sigminator11 ( $3305 )
Seat 8: toreador1 ( $1980 )
Seat 9: Solen ( $1893 )
Seat 10: Eagle287 ( $1348 )
Solen posts small blind [$10].
Eagle287 posts big blind [$20].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to ConallCerna [ Js Qd Th Jh ]
>You have options at Table 68173 Table!.
PARAB0LA raises [$60].
>You have options at Table 68173 Table!.
willy59 calls [$60].
>You have options at Table 68173 Table!.
HurricanRati calls [$60].
>You have options at Table 81195 (6 max) (No DP) Table!.
>You have options at Table 68173 Table!.
>You have options at Table 80652 (6 max) (No DP) Table!.
>You have options at Table 80846 (6 max) (No DP) Table!.
digiorg4 folds.
ConallCerna calls [$60].
jamieposner folds.
sigminator11 folds.
>You have options at Table 68173 Table!.
>You have options at Table 68173 Table!.
toreador1 calls [$60].
Solen folds.
>You have options at Table 68173 Table!.
>You have options at Table 80846 (6 max) (No DP) Table!.
Eagle287 calls [$40].
** Dealing Flop ** [ Kc, 9h, Qs ]
>You have options at Table 80652 (6 max) (No DP) Table!.
Eagle287 checks.
PARAB0LA checks.
willy59 checks.
HurricanRati checks.
ConallCerna bets [$367].
toreador1 folds.
>You have options at Table 81195 (6 max) (No DP) Table!.
Eagle287 calls [$367].
PARAB0LA folds.
willy59 folds.
HurricanRati calls [$367].
** Dealing Turn ** [ Jd ]
Eagle287 checks.
>You have options at Table 68173 Table!.
HurricanRati checks.
ConallCerna bets [$1468].
Eagle287 folds.
>You have options at Table 80846 (6 max) (No DP) Table!.
>You have options at Table 81195 (6 max) (No DP) Table!.
>You have options at Table 80846 (6 max) (No DP) Table!.
HurricanRati folds.
ConallCerna does not show cards.
ConallCerna wins $2936
>You have options at Table 80846 (6 max) (No DP) Table!.
digiorg


sorry i could not get the converter to work and i gotta run, so what should i do on the turn?, check, bet smaller?
i am not sure.
dave

[Tilt]

We need some reads to advise on this. Will this player read a 1/2 pot bet as weakness and come over the top with a set? Why did he flat call your flop bet - whats your hand range on this guy?

With no reads I wouldn't mess around with a smaller bet. I don't want to wonder whether he hit broadway and I should call off half my stack uncertain about whether I should do so. Betting the pot might shake him off a hand that you split with, and if he comes back over the top you have odds to redraw.

I would only bet less if I felt he would bluff or push JT into your freeroll.

[Rolf Slotboom]

Hi Dave,

It seems to me like it doesn't matter much, as Eagle has just $921 (1348-60-367) left after your turn bet. So, in reality, you are not making a pot bet of $1468, but a bet of just $921. Taking into account his probable hand of KKxx or QQxx, possibly with an ace to go with it (meaning a T on the river would be bad in addition to his 'clear' full house / quads outs - of course, the J on the turn actually is a great blocker card for you), you COULD bet just $700 or so - however this doesn't seem to make all that much difference to me. And checking it back would just be plain silly.

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[Dave Mac]

Rolf,
Hey sorry, the HH is hard to read B/C of the format. The 3 seat actaully has me covered a few times over and is still in the hand. it is his action i was worried about. my issue is if i put a bet in on the turn i am commited if the 3 seat check raises me. which is not the end of the world but i don't want to only get c-r-ed by AT, and i am not sure what other hands can call a pot sized turn bet. I guess top set middle set could call. so i am left with not wanting to give a free card, but also not wanting to put in the rest of my stack drawing kinda slim.

I think the play prolly is a 3/4-pot sized bet and then just commit, but i am just not sure.
dave

[Rolf Slotboom]

OK. Yes, I see. Hmmm, that changes the situation considerably. Two callers on a KQ9 rainbow flop - means that at least one of them must have the JT as well, right? On the turn there's indeed the danger that if you bet, you open yourself up to a possible check-raise by Hurricane... Still, it is not all that likely that any of them has AT, as he would need to have one of the exact combos AKQT / AKKT / AQQT / AT99 to have made the flop call, or specifically AJTx - in which case you would have gotten check-raised on the flop by this nuts + redraw. So, a tough situation here. I guess my read on Hurricane would probably be the deciding factor, and your estimate of the chances that he is waiting to check-raise you. In this situation, I would probably either bet pot & commit fully or check it back, but *not* make a weak-looking medium-sized bet. This because I now may induce Hurricane to check-raise me with the same second-nut straight that I also have, leading to the danger of me folding a split pot or even giving away the whole thing (in case I hit my full house redraw).

All in all, a difficult situation, man, with no clear "best" option. I would say: Just be glad that they both folded. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

Rolf Slotboom
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