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#1
11-19-2007, 08:12 PM
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J9o in SB, turn OESD on 3-flush board
Live $4/$8
MP and LP are both loose and fairly passive, I doubt that either of them would try a bluff or semi-bluff raise on any street, although they might make a semi-bluff bet or bet a busted draw on the river 5 limpers including MP and LP, I complete in SB with Js9d, BB checks (7sb) flop is Tc9s2c I bet and get 4 callers including MP and LP (6bb) turn is 8c I bet with the intention of folding if raised, MP and LP call (9bb) river is 3d I check, MP checks, LP bets, I fold, MP folds How was my flop bet? Is the bet/fold turn line good? Should I have check/called or bet/folded the river instead of check/folding? 
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#2
11-19-2007, 08:18 PM
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Re: J9o in SB, turn OESD on 3-flush board
You can't fold the turn because you're open ended after the 8 hits.
You're getting 10-1 on a river call. You're good way more often than that. Edit: I missed that the turn was a club. As played, you still have to bet the turn. But the river call is much closer. I still think you should do it though. Jesse, I think you're discounting how often LP's hand is a bluff.
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#3
11-19-2007, 08:21 PM
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Re: J9o in SB, turn OESD on 3-flush board
I don't like the flop bet. I'd check and re-evaluate when it gets back to me. If the bet is on my right, I'm likely to raise, but I could also see folding.
On the turn I like your bet, but you have to call if somebody raises. The pot is getting big and you really can't give him credit for the flush yet. I'd cry and call on the river, but this could be spew. Honestly you beat almost nothing.
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#4
11-20-2007, 02:49 AM
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Re: J9o in SB, turn OESD on 3-flush board
This river is definitelyyyyyyyyyyyyy a fold.
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#5
11-20-2007, 03:12 AM
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Re: J9o in SB, turn OESD on 3-flush board
Snowball (11:02:29 PM): lol
Snowball (11:02:35 PM): he needs to bet that [censored] strictlystrategy (11:02:33 PM): not really Snowball (11:02:58 PM): u don't bet 2nd pair there? Snowball (11:03:00 PM): ?????????? strictlystrategy (11:02:57 PM): Not in a live 4 against two! Snowball (11:03:19 PM): that's more of a reason to bet it strictlystrategy (11:03:21 PM): lol because they'll fold better hands? Snowball (11:04:33 PM): send it plz 97, 96, 9xs, A2, K2, Q2s, 87, 86, j8, Q8, Snowball (11:04:55 PM): J2s, 2xs strictlystrategy (11:05:03 PM): You just assume nobody's folding any pair here ever. Snowball (11:05:11 PM): value value value plz strictlystrategy (11:05:05 PM): They will. Snowball (11:05:16 PM): lol why? Snowball (11:05:21 PM): this is 4/8? strictlystrategy (11:05:21 PM): They don't call down light like that. strictlystrategy (11:05:31 PM): Like they'll call with AKs more than J2s Snowball (11:05:43 PM): yeah they do I have played 4/8 strictlystrategy (11:05:51 PM): Well if it's some berzerko Cali game where weird siht happens Snowball (11:05:59 PM): they can't read hands strictlystrategy (11:06:00 PM): Of course not, but they have "nothing" Snowball (11:06:14 PM): ummm, this is 4 dollar 8 dollar hold em Snowball (11:06:19 PM): these people are subhumanoid strictlystrategy (11:06:14 PM): Like, it basically depends, wihtout reads though I don't bet, and it's kinda close. Snowball (11:06:36 PM): without reads it's a super easy bet Snowball (11:06:45 PM): if I think they are tight passive I checkfold Snowball (11:06:52 PM): I need a read to not bet Snowball (11:07:12 PM): the average 4/8 limit player is... strictlystrategy (11:07:11 PM): Live $4/$8 MP and LP are both loose and fairly passive, Snowball (11:07:25 PM): retarded as all hell strictlystrategy (11:07:18 PM): They'll call with AT Snowball (11:07:28 PM): yeah Snowball (11:07:33 PM): LOOSE strictlystrategy (11:07:31 PM): and passive Jordan. Snowball (11:07:40 PM): they also call with something silly strictlystrategy (11:07:35 PM): Yes. Snowball (11:07:49 PM): so let them Snowball (11:07:55 PM): they can't call if u don't bet imo strictlystrategy (11:07:49 PM): Or let them call with a hand that has us beat. Snowball (11:07:57 PM): afaik Snowball (11:08:11 PM): ok, that's why it is called a value bet? strictlystrategy (11:08:10 PM): You'll see Q9 here and lol @ yourself because you were getting a free showdown Snowball (11:08:31 PM): so what. you are a slight favorite when called Snowball (11:08:50 PM): u have 2nd freaking pair Snowball (11:09:02 PM): and no one has shown any strength strictlystrategy (11:08:55 PM): And a meh kicker Snowball (11:09:07 PM): JACK KICKER Snowball (11:09:08 PM): !!! strictlystrategy (11:09:03 PM): They're passive, they don't show strength. Snowball (11:09:19 PM): ok I am posting this convo so everyone knows how bad u r strictlystrategy (11:09:26 PM): Okay.
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#6
11-20-2007, 03:19 AM
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Re: J9o in SB, turn OESD on 3-flush board
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You can't fold the turn because you're open ended after the 8 hits. [/ QUOTE ] Drawing to the 2nd best hand that might be a chop if it's good is not my idea of a good time. These guys are passive. they don't raise 2 pair on the turn when the flush card hits. Calling down is silly, and I only like to play silly in large pots.
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#7
11-20-2007, 03:21 AM
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Re: J9o in SB, turn OESD on 3-flush board
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Edit: I missed that the turn was a club. As played, you still have to bet the turn. But the river call is much closer. I still think you should do it though. Jesse, I think you're discounting how often LP's hand is a bluff. [/ QUOTE ] From the same post you quoted. pwned.
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#9
11-20-2007, 09:17 AM
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Re: J9o in SB, turn OESD on 3-flush board
Preflop: Call if you are good, fold if you are bad. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]
Flop: I'n probably not leading JT here so I'm definate not betting J9. Turn: Fine River: Bet for value. I guess folding to passive guys bet is ok but really bet/folding is much better.
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#10
11-20-2007, 10:12 AM
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Re: J9o in SB, turn OESD on 3-flush board
b/f river or c/f river. c/c is awful
flop bet is bad too
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