$22 interesting back-to-back hands against same villain

mondonman · #1 11-07-2007, 08:17 AM

Party Poker
No Limit Holdem Tournament
Blinds: t50/t100
6 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: t3050
UTG+1: t2000
CO: t4020
Button: t8090
Hero: t1790
BB: t1050

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is SB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
3 folds, Button calls t100 (pot was t150), Hero calls t50 (pot was t250), BB checks.

Flop: A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (t300, 3 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, Button bets t800, Hero calls t800 (pot was t1100), BB folds.

Turn: 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (t1900, 2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets t600, Hero raises all-in t890, Button calls t290 (pot was t3390).

River: 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (t3680, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: t3680)

Results:
Final pot: t3680
Button shows 9d 8c
Hero shows Qc Jc and wins the pot
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Party Poker
No Limit Holdem Tournament
Blinds: t50/t100
6 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: t2000
UTG+1: t4020
CO: t6300
Hero: t3680
SB: t950
BB: t3050

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is Button with Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
2 folds, CO calls t100 (pot was t150), Hero raises to t450, SB folds, BB calls t350 (pot was t700), CO raises to t800, Hero?

First time I see villain. He was ~60/15 filtered after a very small sample size, so probably no read other than that he is not a genius obv.

emediquei · #2 11-07-2007, 08:40 AM

On the 1st hand I think you should fold or shove on the flop. I don't think we'll ever fold to a turn bet here, so unless you have the nuts and are trying to extract more chips from villain, there's no point in just calling the flop.
Anyway, I think I would fold here without a read, since this is a huge overbet and there's a good chance that villain has a weak ace.

On the second hand, I would usually expect a monster like AA or KK with this limp/min-RR. But with this villain, who knows. I think I call here and fold to a flop bet if an A or K shows.

auffenpuffer · #3 11-07-2007, 08:48 AM

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On the 1st hand I think you should fold or shove on the flop. I don't think we'll ever fold to a turn bet here, so unless you have the nuts and are trying to extract more chips from villain, there's no point in just calling the flop.

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But a draw isnt likely so isnt it better to keep bluffer betting? If we raise we raise out anything we beat.

sean457j · #4 11-07-2007, 10:48 AM

1st hand

You see this quite allot with certain players with a big stack. They want to pick up every pot by massively overbetting it. If I had seen him do this a few times then I would play it the same way you had (I would only be afraid of villain with KQ, I think he would slowplay an ace).

2nd Hand

I wouldn't feel that great about taking a flop with QQ (against big stack) - so I would probably shove here.

Pocketbear · #5 11-07-2007, 11:09 AM

Hand #1: I like it.
Hand #2: I'm pushing over his minreraise because he's obviously an idiot and there is so much dead money in the pot.

Acey · #6 11-07-2007, 11:10 AM

1. shove flop
2. i fold just because we are deep and wont have an idea where we stand on a dry flop.

vers · #7 11-07-2007, 12:09 PM

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Hand #1: I like it.
Hand #2: I'm pushing over his minreraise because he's obviously an idiot and there is so much dead money in the pot.

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