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Old 11-07-2007, 07:14 AM
xeanatic xeanatic is offline
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Default NL100 QQ in 3bet bad turn card

Villian is 19/15/3 and is able to just call 3bets with KK/AA
Is my turn shove any good here I mean what do we beat here?

Poker Stars, $0.50/$1 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 5 Players
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CO: $180.70
Hero (BTN): $105.45
SB: $86.75
BB: $23.20
UTG: $125.50

Pre-Flop: Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (BTN)
<font color="red">UTG raises to $4</font>, CO folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $14</font>, 2 folds, UTG calls $10

Flop: ($29.50) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
UTG checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $21</font>, UTG calls $21

Turn: ($71.50) J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
UTG checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $70.45 and is All-In</font>

Results: $71.50 Pot ($71.50 Rake)
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Old 11-07-2007, 07:16 AM
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Default Re: NL100 QQ in 3bet bad turn card

I would check. You basically turn your hand into a bluff, and no better hand folds anyway.
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Old 11-07-2007, 07:18 AM
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Default Re: NL100 QQ in 3bet bad turn card

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I would check.

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Old 11-07-2007, 07:25 AM
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Default Re: NL100 QQ in 3bet bad turn card

what to do if villian bets out on the river?
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Old 11-07-2007, 07:26 AM
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what to do if villian bets out on the river?

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Depends on how much. I fold alot. Calling smaller bets.
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Old 11-07-2007, 07:29 AM
RockRattler RockRattler is offline
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Default Re: NL100 QQ in 3bet bad turn card

turn check seems good. If he has something like AK [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] or AQ [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] he will raise flop.

TT def. folds to turn bet, and we are called by any J in his range.
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Old 11-07-2007, 07:34 AM
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Default Re: NL100 QQ in 3bet bad turn card

So his range looks something like this right?
because I can't seem him calling a 3bet OOP with KJ or AJ

Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

792 games 0.005 secs 158,400 games/sec

Board: 5d 3d Jh Js
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 24.116% 21.34% 02.78% 169 22.00 { QcQd }
Hand 1: 75.884% 73.11% 02.78% 579 22.00 { JJ+, AKs }
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Old 11-07-2007, 08:05 AM
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Default Re: NL100 QQ in 3bet bad turn card

The fact villain didn't 4 bet/shove preflop very likely means he doesnt have AA KK. For the pot size bet that remains, I like Heros line. It may fold out QQ, AKs.

AJ is not very likely in his range.
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Old 11-07-2007, 11:00 AM
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Default Re: NL100 QQ in 3bet bad turn card

seems pretty likely that he would c/r the flop with AA/KK
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Old 11-07-2007, 11:09 AM
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Default Re: NL100 QQ in 3bet bad turn card

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The fact villain didn't 4 bet/shove preflop very likely means he doesnt have AA KK. For the pot size bet that remains, I like Heros line. It may fold out QQ, AKs.

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In OP, he said villain smoothes 3bets w/ AA and KK. I don't 4bet AA when I get 3betted UTG either, it looks way too strong.

As for postflop. I don't see a hand that calls a 3bet UTG and then c/c that flop other than JJ. He probably doesn't know that a CR would be perfect with just about all of his range so

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seems pretty likely that he would c/r the flop with AA/KK

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is probably wrong here. I'd check turn, fold river a lot
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