NL50 - TPTK in 3bet pot

[yegon]

I was IP so I decided to just call the 3bet. When he bet so big on the flop and on the turn it looked to me like he has no trouble with the K but he hates the flushdraws and when the second one apears he panics. Is the fold OK?

Villain was 24/16/8.5 over 50 hands - haven't seen him do nothing out of the ordinary so far

Party Poker, $0.25/$0.50 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
LeggoPoker Hand History Converter

BB: $7.61
UTG: $45.95
MP: $49.75
CO: $51.64
Hero (BTN): $68.66
SB: $59.71

Pre-Flop: K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (BTN)
3 folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $2</font>, <font color="red">SB raises to $6.50</font>, BB folds, Hero calls $4.50

Flop: ($13.50) 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">SB bets $12</font>, Hero calls $12

Turn: ($37.50) J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">SB bets $41.21 and is All-In</font>, Hero folds

[Lego05]

Very doubtful he's doing this with anything you beat.

One of the rareish spots I like folding TPTK in a 3bet pot.

[EMc]

This is a tough situation. I really think the flop is push or fold at that point, cause you are putting in too much to ever be profitable. The problem is you are really chopping here at best given his line and your read.

[WhiteWolf]

Bad. You were in a steal position and just called his pre-flop 3bet, so your hand is definitely underrepresented. You then flop top pair in a 3bet pot. Your pot-to-stack ratio is about 4.5-to-1: you should be happy to get it all in with TPTK.

[Lego05]

I don't really care what my pot-to-stack ratio is...If I'm not 33% against my opponents range then I'm not gonna call getting 2 to 1.

He's not bluffing here. On the turn I put his range to be mostly comprised of: AA,KK,AK,JJ....the only hand I think hero is ahead of that villian might have is AQ of clubs.


Even with 1 combo of QQ included it's not a call. I really really don't think he'll like ever do this with QQ though:



Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

660 games 0.005 secs 132,000 games/sec

Board: 3c Kc 4s Js
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 32.121% 12.12% 20.00% 80 132.00 { AsKh }
Hand 1: 67.879% 47.88% 20.00% 316 132.00 { AcAd, AcAh, AdAh, KdKs, QhQs, JcJd, JcJh, JdJh, AdKd, AcQc, AcKd, AcKs, AdKs, AhKd, AhKs }

[WhiteWolf]

Why no KQ/various club draw semibluffs? (Edit: meant to be in reply to Lego's post)

[dawade]

What kind of flop were you looking for when you called PF with AK if not this one?

Shove flop. As played, shove turn.

[Lego05]

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Why no KQ/various club draw semibluffs?

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Because it's doubtful he's 3betting those hands pre-flop. Especially the club draws...what club draw does he have here?


If I'd seen this guy 3bet pre-flop a few times then I'm probably making this call. But I'm not gonna include KQ and suited connectors in his range the first time he 3bets and then bets pot on flop and shoves turn.


"haven't seen him do nothing out of the ordinary so far"

[SunyD]

I actually dont mind the call on the flop, in position, allowing you to evaluate the turn as cheap as possible.

With his bet on the turn, this is a fold. You dont beat much, that I think a solid player would 3bet with.

[WhiteWolf]

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Why no KQ/various club draw semibluffs?

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Because it's doubtful he's 3betting those hands pre-flop. Especially the club draws...what club draw does he have here?


If I'd seen this guy 3bet pre-flop a few times then I'm probably making this call. But I'm not gonna include KQ and suited connectors in his range the first time he 3bets and then bets pot on flop and shoves turn.


"haven't seen him do nothing out of the ordinary so far"

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Given villian's TAG stats, three-betting a steal attempt from the button with KQ/A-decent x [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] doesn't seem like an out of line play.

If we're not willing to play for stacks on this board, we shouldn't be calling pre-flop.