KJ facing LRR on btn

POKhER · #1 03-06-2006, 12:02 PM

How do you like this?

31/18/1.4 @ 60 hands.
- Nothing seen that strange. hes made a few marginal value bets, stole my blinds a few times. When he sat i actually thought he was a 2+2... infact he most likly is.


Thoughts shown in blue whilst i played the hand.

Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (6 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

Preflop: Hero is SB with J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
3 folds, Button calls, Hero raises, 1 fold, Button 3-bets, Hero calls.
 Lrr, i immediately think small PP? AA encouraging blinds to play? 

Flop: (7 SB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets, Button calls.

 I bet with toppair of course due to FD and i expect a big pair to raise me. He doesn't so i now expect a turn raise vs a better hand or him to fold a weaker hand/missed draw. 

Turn: (4.50 BB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets, Hero calls.

 So now i check, i escape being C/r by big pairs and encourage a bluff from him with marginal handsor missed draws... and the value bet with AA or so. 

River: (6.50 BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets, Button calls.

 Now i bet, i dont want marginal hands checked behind and will most likly fold to a raise. I dont expect to be raised by say AA, but i do by KK etc. I think this guy uses his brain and will consider raising but call simply to avoid folding a weaker hand(mine) or being 3bet by the flush draw. 

Final Pot: 8.50 BB

you like?

Kwaz · #2 03-06-2006, 12:06 PM

c/r the flop.

POKhER · #3 03-06-2006, 12:06 PM

Oh wanted to ask, did i miss crap loads of value or is this nicely thought out?

When i played it i thought i played ok, but results change my thinking. Maybe i miss lots of bets more times here than i save vs the occasional AA or big hand?

MUBS ? [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

POKhER · #4 03-06-2006, 12:08 PM

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c/r the flop.

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Ok, on the flop your 3bet. what do you do?

Next hand is the same, but on the flop your called then your turn bet is raised, what do you do?

Kwaz · #5 03-06-2006, 12:16 PM

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c/r the flop.

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Ok, on the flop your 3bet. what do you do?

Next hand is the same, but on the flop your called then your turn bet is raised, what do you do?

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I probably shouldn't have been so definitive in my answer because I also think that c/c, c/c or c/c, bet have their place as well.
I just think betting the flop is bad. He auto bets this flop ~100%.

But to answer your question, I call down in both scenarios.

Yako · #6 03-06-2006, 12:18 PM

In my experience, 2+2ers do not l/rr in 6max games, and people who l/rr when they have high pfr are usually FOS. So I'd c/r the flop, and if 3bet I'd call down to see what he's doing this with. And if he waits to raise the turn after I c/r the flop, I'm still calling down. I have a good hand and I want to see what he l/rr with.

But I like your line. Confusing as hell!

Dids · #7 03-06-2006, 12:20 PM

If he's not a total donk, c-ring the flop is bad unless you want to fold.

If you don't know where he's at, and you've got a hand with showdown value, I like a c-c-c line a lot.

MATT111 · #8 03-06-2006, 12:21 PM

This is cool.
I am just too curious what he is doing this with to fold the river.

Peter Harris · #9 03-06-2006, 12:24 PM

i agree, villain is autobetting the flop, likely firing the turn and betting the river here means if it's raised you're likely to end up making a wtf call - POKhER, were you planning on bet-folding the river???

c/c c/c c/c does me fine here after the LRR.

POKhER · #10 03-06-2006, 12:50 PM

yeh c/c c/c b/f seems best upon review and discussion.

I bet the flop... i dont know why. I mean QQ will prob fold... i may get raised by AK or KK /AA here also..

So really it makes me fold weaker hands and bet against big hands... -EV all day long it seems. So checking this is best.

turn c/c seems ok also

River bet/fold seems the best... im not sure if i want to c/c this.

I think maybe QQ will check behind and other hands that will call a river donk out of confusion. I also think im raised by bigger hands only and some better hands wont raise in fear i hit my FD so im seeing SD alot even vs the occasional KK or AK etc.(They dont want to be 3bet by a flush, or fold weaker hands so calling the donk seems wise to them maybe?)

I mean c/c c/c looks like a FD line more so than TPMK so my opponent will prob think that [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

Results below in white:
he flipped AA, i screwed him up