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Old 11-01-2007, 03:05 PM
reemas reemas is offline
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Default NL 25 - QQ overpair - too aggressive?

BB: 32/10/.86 after 90 hands.
SB: about 65% vpip over 75 hands - not a threat really.

Poker Stars, $0.10/$0.25 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players

Hero (MP): $25.40
CO: $70.30
BTN: $20.50
SB: $29.05
BB: $24.55
UTG: $24.20

Pre-Flop: Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (MP)
UTG folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $1</font>, 2 folds, SB calls $0.90, BB calls $0.75

Flop: ($3) J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 Players)
<font color="red">SB bets $0.50</font>, <font color="red">BB raises to $2.75</font>, <font color="red">Hero ??</font>

Should I shove here? Call?

If you say don't shove, how would you play later streets?
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Old 11-01-2007, 03:07 PM
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Default Re: NL 25 - QQ overpair - too aggressive?

I just fold here. BB seems to like his hand and is otherwise superpassive.
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Old 11-01-2007, 03:11 PM
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Default Re: NL 25 - QQ overpair - too aggressive?

youre getting the super passive read from the .86 AF? why not call?
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Old 11-01-2007, 03:16 PM
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Default Re: NL 25 - QQ overpair - too aggressive?

If you call then SB is likely to come along or even re-raise if he's got a good hand. Plus there are tons of scare cards on the turn (any spade, jack, ten, king, ace, even a queen might not be a good out). And again, a guy with .86 AF just raised into you. Maybe I'm too nitty though.
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Old 11-01-2007, 03:34 PM
Profish2285 Profish2285 is offline
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Default Re: NL 25 - QQ overpair - too aggressive?

Grunch

Calling is not an option because of all the bad cards that can come. So it comes down to raising or folding, and I honestly dont know which one I like more right now. The BB is really passive from his AF, but its also only 90 hands and the aggression factor can get skewed one way or another in such a small sample. He could be doing this with top pair or even a draw seeing as how small the SB lead into everyone. But then again you are facing a raise and a re raise with one pair here. I guess the more I think about it, its a fold but Im really not sure.
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Old 11-01-2007, 03:45 PM
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Default Re: NL 25 - QQ overpair - too aggressive?

i never considered folding. maybe that's why i suck.

edit: well it helps me understand AF a little better (i used to ignore that stat.) thanks all.
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Old 11-01-2007, 04:15 PM
Schiester Schiester is offline
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Default Re: NL 25 - QQ overpair - too aggressive?

Right... so its fold or raise imo.

I don't know what SB is up to but so often this is just a spewey stab to see where he's at. BB's raise is way more often a J than a set / 2pair.

For this reason I'm leaning well toward bumping this and seeing what happens.
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Old 11-01-2007, 04:16 PM
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Default Re: NL 25 - QQ overpair - too aggressive?

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I just fold here. BB seems to like his hand and is otherwise superpassive.

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Super-passive is still betting out with TPTK/TPGK here.
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Old 11-01-2007, 04:23 PM
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Default Re: NL 25 - QQ overpair - too aggressive?

Thats why I was unsure but I think we can find alot better flops to go to war on than this one.
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Old 11-01-2007, 04:38 PM
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Default Re: NL 25 - QQ overpair - too aggressive?

since it was profish's 1000th post, i should let him know, he's right.
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