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Old 11-01-2007, 03:19 AM
thizzSantaCruz thizzSantaCruz is offline
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Default paired board, nut flush draw deep with someone in the middle WTF?!

Full Tilt Poker, $0.25/$0.50 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
LegoPoker Hand History Converter

MP: $73.35
CO: $55.45
BTN: $224.75
Hero (SB): $116.85
BB: $46
UTG: $50

Pre-Flop: 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (SB)
<font color="red">UTG raises to $2</font>, MP calls $2, CO folds, BTN calls $2, Hero calls $1.75, BB calls $1.50

Flop: ($10) Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (5 Players)
Hero checks, BB checks, <font color="red">UTG bets $7.50</font>, MP folds, BTN calls $7.50, Hero calls $7.50, BB calls $7.50

Turn: ($40) 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (4 Players)
Hero checks, BB checks, UTG checks, <font color="red">BTN bets $12.50</font>

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whats my line here? the paired board sucks, TAGy villain 100bbs deep is known to raise over small bets he sees as weak, deep stacked donk makes these small bets with vulnerable TP hands and such.
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Old 11-01-2007, 03:22 AM
whyzze whyzze is offline
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Default Re: paired board, nut flush draw deep with someone in the middle WTF?!

just fold the turn. odds aren't quite there...but close. But the RIO factor sucks. I just let it go.
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Old 11-01-2007, 03:42 AM
Hail Eris Hail Eris is offline
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Default Re: paired board, nut flush draw deep with someone in the middle WTF?!

I would definitely raise here with these reads if the pot was smaller. UTG like never has a hand that can stand so much action here. Letting 2 people check through on that board when you have a big hand is disastrous.

However, I don't think you can really assume that BTNs hand is a vulnerable TP type hand when he decides not to close the action in a pot of this size. Donks who bet weak with vulnerable hands in small pots often bet like this for value when they have a huge hand in a huge pot, because they tend to think in absolute dollar amounts.
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Old 11-01-2007, 02:21 PM
thizzSantaCruz thizzSantaCruz is offline
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Default Re: paired board, nut flush draw deep with someone in the middle WTF?!

So Eris do you think its a call? I also know donk is semi aware of pot sizing because I have seen him mash on the pot button with big hands.
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Old 11-01-2007, 02:55 PM
itsdanwall itsdanwall is offline
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Default Re: paired board, nut flush draw deep with someone in the middle WTF?!

Please fold turn BB/UTG could be slowplaying trips/fh waiting to check raise button could have a huge hand and be trying to suck someone in. Also I think its going to be hard to get paid off on the river out of position. Whats your plan if an ace falls on the river?
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