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Old 10-31-2007, 09:13 AM
Specialwon Specialwon is offline
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Default When to play smaller unsuited connectors

....say T9 and worse. Currently I'm limping in from the button (with 2+ limpers ahead) and small blind with at least one other limper, also the larger one gappers like J9, T8. Totally useless strategy b/c I'm losing money hand over fist on them over last 20k hands. What am I doing wrong?
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Old 10-31-2007, 09:56 AM
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Default Re: When to play smaller unsuited connectors

I don't play those hands (unsuited) at all unless I'm in late position and have a whole loads of limpers in front of me. J9o and T8o are not "large" one gappers and I think can be regarded as almost total trash.

JT, QT and above is my threshold and even then I don't expect to make a lot of money from them.

Suited connectors, of course, are a different proposition but don't expect to make a mountain of cash from those either. You can scoop the occasional big pot of course but their main value, imho, is in allowing you to widen your range of starting hands (in position) and get more action on your premium cards.

My only other thought is perhaps not to be discouraged from other, (sensible) "experiments" just because it hasn't quite worked over 20,000 hands. That's not a huge sample size to go on, particularly if you're talking about a wide category of hands. I bet there are plenty of people who could show you 20,000 hands where their big pairs look as if they are -EV!
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Old 10-31-2007, 10:02 AM
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Default Re: When to play smaller unsuited connectors

Button is correct. Drop them from your SB range, stick with pairs and big cards - you're OOP for the whole hand if you stick around. 98+ maybe okay if you feel one of the better players at the table. OOP draws have way less extraction ability than IP draws.

You can raise them from the Button/SB if first in, or from the BB if only the SB limped in.



You're overplaying them postflop probably. Only stick around with 2 pair or a 6+ out draw or better. Else dump them.
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Old 10-31-2007, 10:04 AM
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Default Re: When to play smaller unsuited connectors

Might wanna try a standard raise from BTN, CO, and HJ with a few limpers and trying to steal the pot when you miss.
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Old 10-31-2007, 10:04 AM
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Default Re: When to play smaller unsuited connectors

The best way to figure things out is to post some hands with them. Maybe you can play them more aggressively and maybe you are playing them when you shouldn't. Just having the button isn't automatically enough reason to play them(never thought I would say that).
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Old 10-31-2007, 10:11 AM
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Default Re: When to play smaller unsuited connectors

At least mix in some raises from BTN, always limping behind is rather bad IMO.

Diebitter I LOVE your avatar!
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Old 10-31-2007, 10:11 AM
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Default Re: When to play smaller unsuited connectors

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Button is correct.

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Correct to play T8o and J9o on the button after, say, at least two limpers? Do Sklansky & Co back that up?
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Old 10-31-2007, 10:13 AM
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Default Re: When to play smaller unsuited connectors

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Button is correct.

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Correct to play T8o and J9o on the button after, say, at least two limpers? Do Sklansky & Co back that up?

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Sklansky does say that if the stacks are deep enough and the players are bad enough that you can limp almost anything on the button. That's as specific as I can get. Playing the button is very dynamic.
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Old 10-31-2007, 10:14 AM
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Default Re: When to play smaller unsuited connectors

from the button with a ton of limpers would be the only conceivable time and even then its really marginal

maybe from the SB with a ton of limpers
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Old 10-31-2007, 10:18 AM
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Default Re: When to play smaller unsuited connectors

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from the button with a ton of limpers would be the only conceivable time and even then its really marginal

maybe from the SB with a ton of limpers

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If that is the case then maybe position isn't really that important.
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