TT on ragged flop facing b/3b

[Profish2285]

Villain is unknown, and my HUD is all messed up right now so I have no stats either.

Full Tilt Poker, $0.10/$0.25 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 4 Players
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SB: $24.05
BB: $11.50
UTG: $21
Hero (BTN): $35.55

Pre-Flop: T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (BTN)
UTG calls $0.25, <font color="red">Hero raises to $1.25</font>, SB calls $1.15, 2 folds

Flop: ($3) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">SB bets $3</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to $9</font>, <font color="red">SB raises to $22.80 and is All-In</font>, Hero....

[bozzer]

folds readless.

[Baintz]

Tough with out reads, but I've seen the same thing from A8, 99, 56 countless times. Could also be a slowplayed overpair.
I would say that you should have considered how you would respond to a push before you made the raise. i.e. if I raise here, I'm felting, as it's barely more than a minraise, so as played I call.

IME, pot size donkbets are either air trying to buy the pot, or a strong hand. Even most fish understand the concept of not building a big pot with a medium strength hand.
Hence I don't mind a call and re-evaluate turn.

[Profish2285]

My initial thought was to call instead of raising his donk bet, but there are alot of turn cards that I really dont want to see. A,K,Q,J,8,7,2. All of those cards complete some draw or are scare cards. The problem is, Im not sure an unknown does this with A8, but he might.

[z28dreams]

I normally call his bet.

As played, you have to call his shove. Raising in this spot with the intent to fold is bad-bad-bad.

(I just had an in depth discussion about hands like this with a few people).

Basically you need to decide if you are willing to stack off or not before you raise here.

[Supwithbates]

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My initial thought was to call instead of raising his donk bet, but there are alot of turn cards that I really dont want to see. A,K,Q,J,8,7,2. All of those cards complete some draw or are scare cards. The problem is, Im not sure an unknown does this with A8, but he might.

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Just call flop, potsize donks at this level are like never made hands worse than weak overpairs.

[Baintz]

Agree that there's plenty of scarecards, but part of the reason for calling on flop is to see how he'll react on the turn. Many times he'll check his weak made hands (and air) and we can bet for value/protection. If he comes out firing strong again on a blank I give serious consideration to folding.

[monkeymaps]

IME donk bets are usually weak made hands and decent draws so that is a reason to raise IMO.(charge draws fold out weak hands) obv certian oponents are never folding so this strat isnt always best but in general it works.

If we just call flop what is our turn plan if he bets 2/3pot on blank turn?

[Profish2285]

Yea thats a good point as well, if I just call here, Im assuming I am calling down on a turn and river blank as well, correct?

[doppelganger]

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IME donk bets are usually weak made hands and decent draws so that is a reason to raise IMO.

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Or sets trying to build a pot, especially w/ the large donk bet. There are really no reasonable draws on this board, so I'd have to say he's on TP, a set, or an overpair almost always when he leads the flop. Once we raise and get overpushed I think we have to fold readless. If it's a donk overplaying A8 then cest la vie, but I think we're spewing by calling that push.