600NL: QQ in CO gets 3bet by BTN.

Montezuma21 · #1 10-30-2007, 08:05 AM

Reads: Villain is somewhere between TAG and LAG. seems like one of the better players at a generally loose-passive
table. he's running at 22/20/3 over 133 hands.

This is the second time he's 3bet me in the 3 or 4 orbits since i've been at the table. I folded the first time (I was BTN) . He's also 3bet a couple of other late-position raises but they folded either preflop or postflop.

His stats would suggest that he 3bets light though. I think it'd be pretty hard to play 22/20 without doing so. I don't have much of a read on his postflop play in either raised or reraised pots.

Partypoker 600NL 6-max
6-handed
effective stacks $620

Hero is in CO with QQ

All fold to Hero (CO) who raises to $21
BTN (Villain) 3bets to $72
Blinds fold
Hero raises to $195

1. How's hero's play?

2. How does your answer change with:
a) AK
b) JJ/TT
c) AA
d) KK

Please give reasons.

reup · #2 10-30-2007, 08:13 AM

i fourbet with all although sometimes just call with 'b'ish hands and see a flop before deciding what to do. he's three betting so light with those stats and in that situation... a fourbet is for value.

stigmata · #3 10-30-2007, 08:16 AM

just 3-bet and call the push if needs be.

i would be more inclined to flat call and play postflop with JJ/TT.

Mix it up more as you establish a history with the player.

ikestoys · #4 10-30-2007, 09:25 AM

I'm not a big fan of 4betting with 1010-QQ because you are allowing villain to get away from the part of his range that you dominate. If he's the type to continue at pretty much any flop I'll def be calling with 1010-QQ.

If I was feeling trixy, I could call AA or KK, but would mostly 4 bet being oop and to cover for the times I 4bet with AK.

stigmata · #5 10-30-2007, 09:38 AM

I hear what your saying, but with this type of player:

A) We need to 4-bet bluff some portion of the time, and hence need to 4-bet good hands also.
B) He is liable to get out of line with lesser holdings, especially because he is expecting us to 4-bet bluff sooner or later, as we start to react to his constant 3-betting.

Montezuma21 · #6 10-30-2007, 10:21 AM

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I'm not a big fan of 4betting with 1010-QQ because you are allowing villain to get away from the part of his range that you dominate.

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I agree insofar as JJ/TT are concerned. I think there's a considerable difference between holding QQ here vs JJ/TT. I imagine this type of villain will push JJ/AQs some of the time if he thinks i'm 4 betting light.

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If he's the type to continue at pretty much any flop I'll def be calling with 1010-QQ.

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I agree, but my read on his post-flop play is anything but solid. against a villain who plays predictably and who spews a lot in 3bet pots i agree that calling is prob. the most EV play; but this villain strikes me as the type to use his positional advantage very well and so being OOP against him is a considerable disadvantage.

Unknown Soldier · #7 10-30-2007, 11:32 AM

4b QQ at party 600nl is generally good, and it won't fold out the range you dominate often.

jcl · #8 10-30-2007, 11:41 AM

I always wonder what people do when they don't 4bet QQ. Wait for an A or K to flop and make a bad fold? Or wait for it to come T high and then shove, in which case you felt your QQ was good preflop anyway?

Trapping c-bets from whiffed AK's and TT/JJ is valid but you'll probably get paid off anyway and anytime you incorrectly fold to the latter hands on an A or K flop will be a disaster.