playing back with 'nothing'

[Tryptamean]

These spots don't get posted that much because it has a lot to do with the flow of the game/opponent/history/frequency etc. I think its pretty important to pick some spots to play back at the right opponents and I wonder how good my selection is and if I might be selecting too many/too few/wrong spots.

So here is the hand:
I am new to the table but I have played with this tag a fair amount. I have one note that he picked a strang spot to semi-bluff (with a gutshot + unders) on the turn. Other than that I have not noticed anything noteworthy. He is 24/17/2 with a 34% wtsd.

Now everyone knows that K62r is a very bluffable flop and I expect ace hi to get to showdown a lot (but not always). My cards also matter and I consider check-raising this flop because I have overs to two board cards and a bdfd. This is because I feel I can call a 3-bet profitably, and fold the turn if I do not pick up a pair or draw.

PokerStars 10/20 Hold'em (6 handed) Poker Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Hero calls.

Flop: (4.50 SB) K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">Button bets</font>

So... What do you do here? Do you check-raise here against any other opponent type?

Bonus question: if this same opponent is in the SB, do you prefer floating him or raising the flop? (or folding)

[rzk]

i'm pretty sure c/r'ing this flop will be profitable against a decent and not too showdown bound opponent - provided you don't do it very often. perhaps 10-25% of the time (based on your mutual images).

[thepizzlefosho]

I think this is really dependent on the villain on the your current metagame situation with him. If you have been c/r'ing good hands and SD a few recently, and he has some respect for your raises then this spot is fine. Otherwise you are going to get looked up a lot.

Some villains give more credit to c/rs on dry flops ("they must have a pair or good Ahigh"), others gives less ("this looks like a pretty safe board for me to SD my Ax").

With this villain having SD stats of 34% I would guess he probably is more likely to fold in this spot than some, and I would guess based on your assessment of the situation it was an ok spot.

[Tryptamean]

Actually, I ended up folding because I was new to the table. It just got me thinking about how often I do play back on this type of flop....

[rzk]

why is it important that you are new to the table if you've played with him a lot before?

also, am i wrong about this or should we pretty much always either peel or c/r in this situation?

[Tryptamean]

hm i guess so, that was pretty weak tight...

[thepizzlefosho]

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why is it important that you are new to the table if you've played with him a lot before?

also, am i wrong about this or should we pretty much always either peel or c/r in this situation?

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if you've got a guy who is showing down +50% of his hands, c-betting the turn nearly always, and who will never fold if you c/r a draw, then I think you can fold a lot right here and save the 1SB. I think a peel is probably fine if you can make some value when you hit a pair, but I don't think there is anything wrong with folding.

against this particular villain I think you should peel a lot in these spots, because TAGs often will check behind on the turn (in the process turning their hand face up) and you'll see a free river card. Plus if you start to peel with air it helps to disguise when you just c/c a good hand, and it makes you much tougher to play against.

so against this opponent I peel a lot. against LAGGY SD monkeys I usually just fold.

[rzk]

i agree, the "situation" in my post refers to everything: board+opponent.

[yourface]

I c/r a lot fo sho
but I don't triple barrel much

[NinaWilliams]

Yeah, this is like the ideal spot to make this play. I dont think calling a 3 bet if profitable though.