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Old 10-28-2007, 09:27 AM
Dr_Jeckyl_00 Dr_Jeckyl_00 is offline
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Default $25NL TT vs reraise pf

Easy fold right?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (8 handed) Poker Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

BB ($26.30)
UTG ($25)
UTG+1 ($23.50)
MP1 ($17.05)
MP2 ($2.35)
CO ($12.05)
Hero ($25.85)
SB ($30.70)

Preflop: Hero is Button with T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG+1 calls $0.25, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 raises to $1</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $3</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, UTG+1 folds, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 raises to $17.05</font>, Hero folds.

Final Pot: $6.60
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Old 10-28-2007, 09:33 AM
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Default Re: $25NL TT vs reraise pf

yeah... at best he has AK, but at 25nl this bet usually means AA or KK. 4 bet ranges at that level are very narrow.
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Old 10-28-2007, 09:58 AM
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Default Re: $25NL TT vs reraise pf

Instafold without really good read on villain...
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Old 10-28-2007, 10:22 AM
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Default Re: $25NL TT vs reraise pf

Yeah, fold
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Old 10-28-2007, 10:40 AM
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Default Re: $25NL TT vs reraise pf

agree this is a fold, but why did you 3-bet in the first place?
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Old 10-28-2007, 12:07 PM
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Default Re: $25NL TT vs reraise pf

I think 90% of the time it means KK.
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Old 10-28-2007, 12:23 PM
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Default Re: $25NL TT vs reraise pf

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agree this is a fold, but why did you 3-bet in the first place?

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Doc, I generally 3-bet here too. I feel like TT is too strong of a hand to call with. Also, if villain has AA or KK he'll usually let me know PF, and if he doesn't I will often gain the benefit to taking it with a c-bet. Do you disagree?
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Old 10-28-2007, 12:27 PM
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Default Re: $25NL TT vs reraise pf

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agree this is a fold, but why did you 3-bet in the first place?

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Doc, I generally 3-bet here too. I feel like TT is too strong of a hand to call with. Also, if villain has AA or KK he'll usually let me know PF, and if he doesn't I will often gain the benefit to taking it with a c-bet. Do you disagree?

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strongly. TT is a great hand and you can get a lot of value with it by calling and playing postflop against a much wider range than someone will call a 3-bet with. The way you're playing it you may as well be 3-betting 22
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Old 10-28-2007, 12:44 PM
LearningCurve LearningCurve is offline
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Default Re: $25NL TT vs reraise pf

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agree this is a fold, but why did you 3-bet in the first place?

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Doc, I generally 3-bet here too. I feel like TT is too strong of a hand to call with. Also, if villain has AA or KK he'll usually let me know PF, and if he doesn't I will often gain the benefit to taking it with a c-bet. Do you disagree?

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strongly. TT is a great hand and you can get a lot of value with it by calling and playing postflop against a much wider range than someone will call a 3-bet with. The way you're playing it you may as well be 3-betting 22

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You make an interesting point. I'm still much weaker post-flop than I'd like to be, and TT is such a vulnerable hand. I guess raising it allows me to gain momentum, but it certainly doesn't allow me to extract the maximum value for my hand that I might if I knew how to play it better post flop.

Assuming we smooth call pre-flop and villain is a standard 20/10/2...

How do you play when villain c-bets and there is an overcard on the flop? Do you call and re-evaluate the turn? Or do you just play for set value and fit/fold flop?

OTOH, if you wind up with TP on the flop then do you raise villain's c-bet, call and try to take it down on the turn, hope for a cheap showdown, or what?

Thanks for your $.02. I told you I missed you around here! [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]
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Old 10-28-2007, 12:44 PM
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Default Re: $25NL TT vs reraise pf

+1. I close to never 3 bet TT PF.
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