NL 50: loose villain shoves river and i gots QQ

[Pokerdemic]

Villain here is 60/20/2 over 50. I don't have any good reads on him though.

Poker Stars, $0.25/$0.50 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 5 Players
LegoPoker Hand History Converter

SB: $45.70
BB: $67.90
UTG: $59.50
CO: $67
Hero (BTN): $68.20

Pre-Flop: Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (BTN)
UTG calls $0.50, <font color="red">CO raises to $2.50</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to $7</font>, SB folds, BB calls $6.50, 2 folds

Flop: ($17.25) T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
BB checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $12</font>, BB calls $12

Turn: ($41.25) 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
BB checks, Hero checks

River: ($41.25) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">BB bets $48.90 and is All-In</font>, Hero ?

[joseki]

I think you should fold. How much of his range is exactly JJ?

[Pokerdemic]

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I think you should fold. How much of his range is exactly JJ?

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With a 60 vpip. I am not sure his range is only PPs here.

[Profish2285]

I think I would call here rather quickly because you checked behind the turn. I would definitely fire that turn and if I didnt it would be to induce a river bluff.

[joseki]

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I think you should fold. How much of his range is exactly JJ?

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With a 60 vpip. I am not sure his range is only PPs here.

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He may have vpip of 60, but calling a 3bet from the bb and then a flop bet, prolly means something, no?

I don't know, maybe he's fos w/ AK or something, but how often? I'd expect him to show up w/ AA or TT much of the time.

[Profish2285]

Youre missing the point that he checked turn here. Soooo many villains will bet/shove with anything on the river once the turn is checked through. That is why checking the turn is a good line to induce a bluff, but if youre afraid to call his shove here then never check the turn.

[Pokerdemic]

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I think you should fold. How much of his range is exactly JJ?

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With a 60 vpip. I am not sure his range is only PPs here.

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He may have vpip of 60, but calling a 3bet from the bb and then a flop bet, prolly means something, no?

I don't know, maybe he's fos w/ AK or something, but how often? I'd expect him to show up w/ AA or TT much of the time.

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His numbers were aggressive enough that I was discounting AA/KK from his range. So he is either FOS and has any two broadway (AK, AQ, AJ, he is FOS and has a pair that I beat JJ, 99)or he made a set and was going for a check-raise on the turn. He called the flop cbet, which does mean something.


I agree that it would be a really, really, questionable call. But there are times when a 60 VPIP turns up with air, and at the time I was thinking that my turn check, which was questionable, induced a bluff.

[Profish2285]

ITS NOT A QUESTIONABLE CALL, YOU CHECKED THE TURN, YOU INDUCED A BLUFF NOW CALL. Sorry, but holy [censored] does no one pay attention to the action of the hand.

[Pokerdemic]

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Youre missing the point that he checked turn here. Soooo many villains will bet/shove with anything on the river once the turn is checked through. That is why checking the turn is a good line to induce a bluff, but if youre afraid to call his shove here then never check the turn.

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That's what they have been saying in the cardrunners videos I have been watching. If you have an overpair and check the turn, you have to call the river because you have induced a bluff. That is what was going through my head and made me want to call, but I am still in marginal shape against his range.

[TheRenaissance]

Yeah, call against this guy.