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Old 10-23-2007, 01:10 PM
HoldEmNewby HoldEmNewby is offline
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Default Is my 2 pair still gangster

Villain runs at 32/7
he has a turn aggression of 4
went to showdown of 14 but a won at showdown of 75
over 92 hands

Party Poker, $0.25/$0.50 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 5 Players
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SB: $64.27
BB: $32.02
UTG: $107.17
Hero (CO): $50.50
BTN: $67.80

Pre-Flop: 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (CO)
UTG folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $2</font>, BTN calls $2, 2 folds

Flop: ($4.75) 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $4.50</font>, BTN calls $4.50

Turn: ($13.75) J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $8.50</font>, <font color="red">BTN raises to $61.30 and is All-In</font>, Hero????
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Old 10-23-2007, 01:14 PM
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Default Re: Is my 2 pair still gangster

He could have just improved with TJ/9T. JQ and an outside chance for JJ and QQ all beat you.

The board contains multiple draws though - 78, TJ, KT maybe? as well as FD.

yah I don't think I mind felting with this kind of board. His range can be very wide
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Old 10-23-2007, 01:16 PM
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Default Re: Is my 2 pair still gangster

I would pick a better spot to shove the rest of my chips in. A couple of straights (108, K10) and better 2-pairs (9J, QJ) in his range hit on that turn; not to mention he could be playing a set this way (he has donk stats afterall). You are only ahead of 1010 (by a tiny bit), AQ, or KQ. J10/910 are a possibility but i just think we are beat here.
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Old 10-23-2007, 01:19 PM
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Default Re: Is my 2 pair still gangster

I really don't know what to make of his stats either, is he a loose nit? or is he so aggressive he is just rarely called down?
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Old 10-23-2007, 01:23 PM
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Default Re: Is my 2 pair still gangster

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I really don't know what to make of his stats either, is he a loose nit? or is he so aggressive he is just rarely called down?

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Looks like he is a very aggressive caller [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] However, his turn AF could mean a lot of things. He may flat call with made hands on the flop and push turn. Have you seen him try to get to showdown cheaply with TP, 2nd pair type hands or is he always pushing at some point in the hand?
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Old 10-23-2007, 01:25 PM
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Default Re: Is my 2 pair still gangster

i was multi tabling so all i had was stats
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Old 10-23-2007, 01:27 PM
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Default Re: Is my 2 pair still gangster

I think most of the replies above me are weak-tight and you are all seeing monsters under the bed here, as Pokey would say. A flush draw, 78, or JT are his most likely draws on the flop. The jack isn't THAT scary of a card, it improves JJ, T8, and KT. I don't think KT is calling that flop. If he did and he hit his 4 outer on the turn, then so be it. Something like QJ clubs would have definitely raised the flop. I'd still put you ahead of his range. I get it all in here for sure.
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Old 10-23-2007, 01:29 PM
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Your sample size is too small to use the showdown stats. If they were a larger sample it would appear that villain gets to showdown rarely and only when he's ahead. So that's more reason to fold this turn. Not even looking at his stats I tihnk this is a clear fold though. You only beat a draw or a bluff.
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Old 10-23-2007, 01:29 PM
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Default Re: Is my 2 pair still gangster

with bottom bottom 2 pair or whatever it's called the things you beat are Qx, Jx or naked Tx or a flush draw or combo draw.

If he's doing this often then I'll just wait till I have a better idea of where I stand and what he does htis with get it AI may be even with a weaker hand like 1pair but safer board. But if I think he's this alot time with draws and pair+draws I call here.

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Have you seen him try to get to showdown cheaply with TP, 2nd pair type hands or is he always pushing at some point in the hand?


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Ye I'm not sure what his turn raises mean and tryin to figure it out.
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Old 10-23-2007, 02:42 PM
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Default Re: Is my 2 pair still gangster

so whats the verdict? I'm still quite lost.
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