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Old 10-21-2007, 07:46 PM
Bubsy27 Bubsy27 is offline
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Default I fold KK on a paired board, but what has villain got?

Party Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.50/$1
6 players
Converter

Villain is a 36/12/1

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is Button with K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
UTG folds, UTG+1 calls, CO folds, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $5</font>, SB calls, 2 folds.

Flop: T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($12, 2 players)
SB checks, <font color="#cc0000">Hero bets $9</font>, SB calls.

Turn: Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($30, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">SB bets $15</font>, Hero calls.

River: A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($60, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">SB bets $40</font>, Hero folds.
Uncalled bets: $40 returned to SB.

Results:
Final pot: $60

What hand does it look like villain has given this line? How often does he have a ten? What else could this type of player do this with on this board?
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Old 10-21-2007, 07:49 PM
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Default Re: I fold KK on a paired board, but what has villain got?

I don't know what he has, but a player this passive has you beat alot.
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Old 10-21-2007, 07:51 PM
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Default Re: I fold KK on a paired board, but what has villain got?

The aggression factor was only over 200 hands though, think he might be more aggresive than this.
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Old 10-21-2007, 07:53 PM
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Default Re: I fold KK on a paired board, but what has villain got?

I raise the turn I think. where are the stack sizes?
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Old 10-21-2007, 07:55 PM
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Default Re: I fold KK on a paired board, but what has villain got?

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I raise the turn I think. where are the stack sizes?

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i think thats pretty horrible considering he almost never has a hand he can call with that we beat
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Old 10-21-2007, 08:06 PM
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Default Re: I fold KK on a paired board, but what has villain got?

I think this is pretty wp.
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Old 10-22-2007, 04:19 AM
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Default Re: I fold KK on a paired board, but what has villain got?

Am I the only one who likes a river call here? I think a donk could be taking this line with something like 88.
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Old 10-22-2007, 04:22 AM
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Default Re: I fold KK on a paired board, but what has villain got?

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Am I the only one who likes a river call here? I think a donk could be taking this line with something like 88.

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that never actually happens imo. i rarely see people donk around with midpairs on a board like this.
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Old 10-22-2007, 04:38 AM
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Default Re: I fold KK on a paired board, but what has villain got?

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Am I the only one who likes a river call here? I think a donk could be taking this line with something like 88.

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that never actually happens imo. i rarely see people donk around with midpairs on a board like this.

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I dunno, his line really doesn't look like a ten to me. He's obviously a donk by his stats, and the vast majority of donks are going to go for a checkraise with a ten here rather than take a weird line like this. When he donks the turn for half-pot I really feel like he has a weakish pocket pair and wants to see where he is cheaply. I don't think it's impossible that he might figure out that he's beat when we call the turn, but decide to try to bluff when the ace falls.

Also, I think a turn raise is really bad here. He's never folding a better hand, rarely calling with a worse one, and if we are ahead, he has virtually no outs to beat us, so it's not like we need to protect.
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Old 10-22-2007, 04:41 AM
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Default Re: I fold KK on a paired board, but what has villain got?

clever didnt you have a lot more posts?

also, donks will c/c c/c lead river a LOT with big hands. they don't raise because they dont want you to fold, then they donk the river because they dont want you to check behind.
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