Why don't I want to fold?

[aislephive]

Villain is 18/15 over a good sample, not really any history IIRC but he is a regular and every solid reg in these games 3bets quite a bit, and he is likely no different.

I know I have no pair and a pretty meh draw, but for some intuitive reason in my head I hate folding. Sbould I just fold this flop? If you do decide to play back, what's your line on this flop?

Party Poker, $2/$4 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 5 Players
LegoPoker Hand History Converter

SB: $415.05
BB: $408.80
UTG: $530
CO: $144.69
Hero (BTN): $396.50

Pre-Flop: Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (BTN)
2 folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $16</font>, SB folds, <font color="red">BB raises to $56</font>, Hero calls $40

Flop: ($114) J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">BB bets $68</font>, Hero ???

[Praetor]

if im continuing, im shoving.

4 straight outs, back door flush, possibly pair outs, possibly having the best hand, BU vs BB I dont think shoving here is bad

[FireStorm]

I guess you don't want to fold because this is a weak bet and you envision getting there with the T ball for the nuts on the turn, or at least peeling a club.

Agree that shoving &gt; calling here. You may be beating air/flush draws from time to time, and thus you can have the best hand here in addition to having outs, etc.

[pdoran10]

i really dont like calling on the flop, so if you want to go with ur gut and continue i agree with the above that shoving is best. i think there are better flops to shove in this spot, but this isnt a horrible one.

[WizardAce]

his bet is ultra strange there, because the board is drawing. he reraises from the BB. i gave him JJ+, AK
fold it fast or flat call and see what happens on the turn.

[trambopoline]

With no particular read from a 15/18 I just fold this flop

[KRANTZ]

does the cbet size look strange to you? thats something to think about in these spots

[Yeti]

haha yeah that is the first thing i noticed

its up to you to decide whether it looks weak or if it wants action. i'd lean towards the latter

[berserk]

i also like shoving over a bigger bet more than over this bet

[Albert Moulton]

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if im continuing, im shoving.

4 straight outs, back door flush, possibly pair outs, possibly having the best hand, BU vs BB I dont think shoving here is bad

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This makes a lot of sense. Many of the hand that beat you that he will have in this situation will have a hard time calling if you push. And if he does call, you have some outs.

I think fold usually, push occasionally, but don't call. If you play with villain regularly, then you will need to occasionally push sets in this position as well.