25 NL- Donkey Play or +EV?

donkontilt · #1 10-18-2007, 05:47 PM

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BB ($11.69)
UTG ($48.48)
MP ($34.50)
Hero ($57.06)
Button ($24.30)
SB ($24.08)

Preflop: Hero is CO with T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
2 folds, Hero raises to $1, Button raises to $3.3, 2 folds, Hero calls $2.30.

Flop: ($6.95) A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $5, Hero raises to $53.75, Button calls $24.30 (All-In).

I put him on QQ, KK, or AA. Possibly JJ AK or AQ. He was 20/17, through 150 hands. He would fold QQ and KK, and hopfully AQ and possibly even AK.

Turn: ($65.55) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: ($65.55) Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: $65.55

vixticator · #2 10-18-2007, 05:56 PM

You are in good shape against basically everything. I'm not sure how much FE you have in 3bet pot but this could easily be c-bet with KK or something. Standard.

donkontilt · #3 10-18-2007, 05:58 PM

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You are in good shape against basically everything. I'm not sure how much FE you have in 3bet pot but this could easily be c-bet with KK or something. Standard.

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The call with the T-8 suited was the hardest part, but i find it hard to lay this down. Now that i think about it I probably should because I was OOP

21SuicideKing21 · #4 10-18-2007, 05:59 PM

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You are in good shape against basically everything. I'm not sure how much FE you have in 3bet pot but this could easily be c-bet with KK or something. Standard.

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do you like the fact that he just shoves? I think you would fold AQ and other Ax's most of the time here. Wouldn't a raise to 15ish be the right play here and hope to get it all in? I mean you're draw is def strong enough to shove here but just trying to see if by this play you would fold out weaker hands.

well named · #5 10-18-2007, 06:05 PM

Given villain's stack size calling any real raise is going to commit him so I don't think shoving is that bad. If he's calling 10 more he's calling all-in, and the pot is already big enough it's not a horrible thing if he folds.

21SuicideKing21 · #6 10-18-2007, 06:07 PM

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Given villain's stack size calling any real raise is going to commit him so I don't think shoving is that bad. If he's calling 10 more he's calling all-in, and the pot is already big enough it's not a horrible thing if he folds.

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yeah true, didn't realize villain only had 25, looking at the wrong stack size. Also nice avatar OP, GO ERNIE!!!

donkontilt · #7 10-18-2007, 06:08 PM

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Given villain's stack size calling any real raise is going to commit him so I don't think shoving is that bad. If he's calling 10 more he's calling all-in, and the pot is already big enough it's not a horrible thing if he folds.

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yeah true, didn't realize villain only had 25, looking at the wrong stack size. Also nice avatar OP, GO ERNIE!!!

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yeaaaaaa.i got his sig at the presidents cup. So awesome

Sh@i'tan · #8 10-18-2007, 06:09 PM

calling pf with this hand is terrible. the flop plays itself obv if you have reads there may be better plays. crai vs a 20/17 on this flop is +EV but calling 3bets OOP with suited one gappers is a donkey play.

21SuicideKing21 · #9 10-18-2007, 06:09 PM

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Given villain's stack size calling any real raise is going to commit him so I don't think shoving is that bad. If he's calling 10 more he's calling all-in, and the pot is already big enough it's not a horrible thing if he folds.

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yeah true, didn't realize villain only had 25, looking at the wrong stack size. Also nice avatar OP, GO ERNIE!!!

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yeaaaaaa.i got his sig at the presidents cup. So awesome

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so sweet, been a big Ernie fan for a long time. gotta love his swing, hopefully he's ready for next years majors.

BlindFinder · #10 10-18-2007, 11:21 PM

too bad hes not good enough to beat tiger