Preflop, Newbie Questions

jk3a · #1 10-17-2007, 11:58 AM

Villain here is solid reg. 17/13/3 thru 1K hands. He has 3bet me a couple of times already. I would prob. fold if it was the first time. Does anyone still fold? As played?

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HAND #1
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Poker Stars, $1/$2 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 4 Players
LegoPoker Hand History Converter

UTG: $235.05
Hero (BTN): $247.70
SB: $343.60
BB: $194

Pre-Flop: 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (BTN)
UTG folds, Hero raises to $8, SB folds, BB raises to $28, Hero calls $20

Flop: ($57) K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
BB bets $42,

Villain here is MrTeddyKGB. I've got him at 17/11/3 thru 2K hands. He was 15/9 thru the first 1K. Opened up his game quite a bit [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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HAND #2
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Poker Stars, $1/$2 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
LegoPoker Hand History Converter

CO: $376.15
BTN: $383
SB: $45
BB: $200
Hero (UTG): $200.85
MP: $180.85

Pre-Flop: Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (UTG)
Hero raises to $8, 2 folds, BTN calls $8, SB folds, BB raises to $28,

tarath · #2 10-17-2007, 12:17 PM

I play him a fair bit and I think his range here in hand 1 is 10/10-A/A, AK-AQ. Maybe the occasional KQ or AJ but he doesn't 3bet me light that i've seen. FWIW in my last 1k hands with him his been 21/14.7/2 so he is a little more opened up than your stats suggest I think. In hand 2 his range is a bit tighter.

I'm not a huge fan of calling the first one against this guy. He's likely to cbet a lot of flops and its hard to think of a flop where your really happy with your hand, except for a set. An A or a K is going to coe 40% of the time and your plan there was to c/f.

When an A or K doesn't come i'd say 50% of his range is a better pair than yours. If you plan to call flop when he bets like 42 and fold to a second barrel on these, even if we assume when he doesn't have a pair he just insta folds flop and never bluffs you out, your winning 36, .5*.6 = 30% of the time and losing 62 20% and losing 20 50%.

thats like -21 EV or so, but maybe your enough better than me postflop to avoid this stuff. when you called what was your plan?

So it seems like except for set value theres not much to gain here.

However, in hand 2, especially given that he saw you call his 3 bet and fold the flop I would definately feel good about calling with QQ. He's more likely to fire missed flops with AK/AQ cause he saw you fold before. When an overcard doesn't come you can be way more conifdent that you have the best hand.

Bascially to me 1 seems like an easy fold against a nit
2 seems like an easy call.

Also I wouldn't say he's solid. Hes pretty aweful postflop imo, but I guess he is solid pre.

ama0330 · #3 10-17-2007, 12:18 PM

Fold preflop twice. QQ is a close shove but dont call.

imozyslow · #4 10-17-2007, 12:18 PM

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He has 3bet me a couple of times already.

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consider raising less pre, limping and four-betting.

lmfao @ teddyKGB. he used to play like a crazy person and then turned into a nit and moved down. call and go from there. hes a nit and squeezing and utg raiser from the sb, so i assume his range is REALLY narrow.

HoldEmNewby · #5 10-17-2007, 12:24 PM

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Fold preflop twice. QQ is a close shove but dont call.

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Why can't we call with QQ?

jk3a · #6 10-17-2007, 02:06 PM

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Fold preflop twice. QQ is a close shove but dont call.

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Shoving QQ is real bad, and why fold 99?

Speedlimits · #7 10-17-2007, 02:08 PM

hand #1 is fine fold flop now.
call 2

jk3a · #8 10-17-2007, 02:12 PM

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hand #1 is fine fold flop now.
call 2

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Given I feel he can be 3betting me light, don't I have to call this flop if I'm going to call pf?

sh58 · #9 10-17-2007, 02:13 PM

would probably shove the flop with the 99 as you are calling for value, not just set mining

2nd hand depends on the button. 4betting is best here imo

rberg · #10 10-17-2007, 02:19 PM

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hand #1 is fine fold flop now.
call 2

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Given I feel he can be 3betting me light, don't I have to call this flop if I'm going to call pf?

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i think you do except you know he'll fire turn no matter what.