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Old 10-14-2007, 08:15 PM
MVPaul MVPaul is offline
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Default Is this a reasonable spot to steal with 12BB?

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PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t100 (7 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

BB (t3880)
UTG (t1145)
MP1 (t1510)
MP2 (t2895)
CO (t1235)
Hero (t1245)
SB (t1590)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP1 calls t100, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t1245...
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Old 10-14-2007, 08:36 PM
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Default Re: Is this a reasonable spot to steal with 12BB?

I like it, unless the BB is loose/calls wide.
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Old 10-14-2007, 09:24 PM
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I need AT+, 77+ here to make this move. I used to do very aggro plays like this a whole lot and I saw ppl limp/call w/ higher aces enough of the time to realize it's not profitable. I would only lower my range with a read and stats that opponent has a vpip of like 40 or something. If I had like 800 chips I would definitely consider shoving. Also SB and BB can wake up with hands behind you to.
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Old 10-15-2007, 12:32 AM
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Default Re: Is this a reasonable spot to steal with 12BB?

bad.. as you'll get called by mp's Ax fairly frequently and be dominated. with a limper there, i'm only shoving AQ+, 99+.

if you had like 9bbs left, i'd still fold the A4 but be more inclined to shove like 98s or something like that .
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Old 10-15-2007, 03:45 AM
HajiShirazu HajiShirazu is offline
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Default Re: Is this a reasonable spot to steal with 12BB?

I would like this in the SB against a button limp but these guys donkspite too often with like 77 or A9 here plus this shove would be no good anyway if you were only against the blinds.
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Old 10-15-2007, 05:10 AM
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Default Re: Is this a reasonable spot to steal with 12BB?

You're at the 50/100 blind level, how the bloody hell can you still be readless? Anyway, I think it's bad usually.
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Old 10-15-2007, 05:41 AM
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Default Re: Is this a reasonable spot to steal with 12BB?

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You're at the 50/100 blind level, how the bloody hell can you still be readless? Anyway, I think it's bad usually.

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You are telling us that you have got reads after 15 mins of playing vs a total stranger in a turbo sng, maybe while you are multitabling?

The only possible read you can have is limp=weak or limp=monster but you need to know the player well enough.

Readless I think the push is borderline, I usually make up my mind in this way: if folded to me would I raise? YES = push, NO=fold.
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Old 10-15-2007, 06:30 AM
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Default Re: Is this a reasonable spot to steal with 12BB?

The guy has t1510 chips, that means he's won at least one hand. It's surely not that difficult to keep track of how he played it, what he won with if it went to showdown? Or, for that matter, how many flops he's seen which would then tell you how loose he is preflop? Hell even having PA HUD would have told you something about him, enough that it wouldn't be totally "readless".

Multitabling isn't an excuse for having no reads, sorry.
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Old 10-15-2007, 06:41 AM
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The guy has t1510 chips, that means he's won at least one hand. It's surely not that difficult to keep track of how he played it, what he won with if it went to showdown? Or, for that matter, how many flops he's seen which would then tell you how loose he is preflop? Hell even having PA HUD would have told you something about him, enough that it wouldn't be totally "readless".

Multitabling isn't an excuse for having no reads, sorry.

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LOL at having a read based on 1 hand!

LOL at playing 16 tables and having the time of analyzing HUD!
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Old 10-15-2007, 08:38 AM
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Default Re: Is this a reasonable spot to steal with 12BB?

I've cut out pushing tiny aces on the button I seem to get called way too much and when you are called you are usually crushed. AQ+ 99+ is my range here.
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