Folding AKo to big raise pre flop?

beardedmonk · #1 10-13-2007, 05:50 AM

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t200 (9 handed)

180 person $12 buy in

UTG (t2845)
UTG+1 (t1720)
MP1 (t2155)
MP2 (t4220)
MP3 (t4305)
CO (t3761)
Button (t3468)
Hero (t6140)
BB (t3241)

Preflop: Hero is SB with , .
3 folds, MP2 raises to t4220, 5 folds.

Final Pot: t500

I have been at the table with the raiser for 20 odd hands, he has raised once previously only about 1000 with similar blinds.

I suppose what was going through my head is recently I have gotten to this stage of tourneys recently with a poor chip stack and it really cuts down the chance of a good cash.
Last night cashed 2nd in this same tourney for $400 cash.

Is there anyone else who would fold this? I am not saying I would do this often and its not like I have seen this guy turn over AA or KK. Is this a bad move long term?

Equally after laying this down, I slow played AA against three people, which needless to say got owned and I went out in 25th. I don't need an answer on that, I know thats a donk play - especially as I let 69d and J4o in which both would have beated me.

ASPoker8 · #2 10-13-2007, 05:51 AM

lol no

easy call

chrismystero · #3 10-13-2007, 06:51 AM

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I suppose what was going through my head is recently I have gotten to this stage of tourneys recently with a poor chip stack and it really cuts down the chance of a good cash.

plz don't go for a "good cash", go for the win, everytime.

Is there anyone else who would fold this?
No. Just....no

I am not saying I would do this often and its not like I have seen this guy turn over AA or KK. Is this a bad move long term?

very much so, yes

Equally after laying this down, I slow played AA against three people

don't do that

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levAA · #4 10-13-2007, 07:52 AM

there are only very very very very very few exceptions, when you fold AK preflop - and this isn't one of them - not even close.

ras52 · #5 10-13-2007, 08:34 AM

Hmn, I was about to post a very similar question. UB $15 Bounty tourney ($13 + $2 bounty). I'd recently been moved to the table and hadn't seen Villain show down.

(Sorry about the semi-raw format, can't seem to find a converter for UB tourney hands.)

(And sorry to OP for the slight hijack - although hopefully discussion of this hand will be illuminating too.)

pwizard is at seat 2 with 18015.
Lucky11443 is at seat 3 with 13735.
EJAlmosWon is at seat 4 with 6355.
pottsie is at seat 6 with 18520.
DireWolf207 is at seat 7 with 18120.
jcy1225 is at seat 8 with 9785.
ras52 is at seat 9 with 6015.
The button is at seat 7.

everyone posts ante (100).
ras52 posts the small blind of 400.
pwizard posts the big blind of 800.

ras52: Ks Ad

Pre-flop:

Lucky11443 calls. EJAlmosWon folds. pottsie calls.
DireWolf207 raises to 5100. jcy1225 folds. ras52 ???

Of course I'm waiting for a hand to push with and this looks like it until the raise ahead of me, which turns my brain to mush, screaming "hey, I was going to do that!".

With the limpers in he's presumably not stealing - at best I'm flipping, so... I should fold?

Pokerfarian · #6 10-13-2007, 08:41 AM

[x] People attack limpers with worse than AK ==> you're not "at best I'm flipping"
[x] There's a lot of "dead" money in there compared to you're 6K stack
[x]+[x] = shoving is big +cEV

gavin2404 · #7 10-13-2007, 08:42 AM

ras 3 previous posters told op his was most definitely never fold and you have antes and limper and M of about 3 so def get it in

JesseB_11 · #8 10-13-2007, 09:56 AM

fist pump call

ssnyc · #9 10-13-2007, 10:29 AM

very simple rule...ALWAYS LOOK FOR A WAY TO GET IT IN PRE WITH AK IN STARS 12 180 PP TURBOS...this will make you money in the long run and not even close...

I say this from experience and with the results to back it up

This includes mult way all in pots...you will see 4 way all ins with A 9 KQ 10 9 and 22 more often than you might believe