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Flat calling with QQ preflop
I saw it mentioned in a cardrunners video I think and a friend of mine mentioned it to me that i should be mixing it up with flatcalls and raises with QQ. Here are a couple hands, I'm quite lost though as to how to play them from the flop onward. Also if you don't like the scenario in which I'm flat calling preflop please elaborate (if you think i should never miss an opportunity to 3bet with QQ feel free to mention that as well). All the players I was flat calling were TAGS. Should I ever be flat calling unknowns or LAGS? It just seems like a bad idea to me but i could be wrong.
Party Poker, $0.50/$1 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players LegoPoker Hand History Converter BTN: $145.04 SB: $261.78 Hero (BB): $100 UTG: $136.06 MP: $9 CO: $97 Pre-Flop: Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (BB) <font color="red">UTG raises to $3</font>, 4 folds, Hero calls $2 Flop: ($6.50) 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players) Hero ????? Party Poker, $0.50/$1 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 5 Players LegoPoker Hand History Converter UTG: $265.22 CO: $203.26 BTN: $128.78 SB: $193.38 Hero (BB): $100 Pre-Flop: Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (BB) 3 folds, <font color="red">SB raises to $4</font>, Hero calls $3 Flop: ($8) 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players) <font color="red">SB bets $5</font>, Hero???? Party Poker, $0.50/$1 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 5 Players LegoPoker Hand History Converter BB: $125.81 UTG: $128.68 CO: $55.55 BTN: $97 Hero (SB): $99 CO posts $1 Pre-Flop: Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (SB) <font color="red">UTG raises to $5</font>, 2 folds, Hero calls $4.50, BB folds Flop: ($12) 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players) Hero???? |
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Re: Flat calling with QQ preflop
i 3bet all of them dunno why would you flatcall and obv feeling lost on all of them.
First i lead/fold. second id fold without any infos. last one is tricky. It depends on who youre playing I guess. I lead vs donk or unknown. You wont get more than 2 streets of value vs Ahigh or PP anyway. chceck-call is good. Lead-fold is ok |
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Re: Flat calling with QQ preflop
lead/folding seems bad on the first one cause your hand is so underrepped
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Re: Flat calling with QQ preflop
I don't really like any of these spots to flat with QQ, although that may be because you got really bad flops on all of them. That blind vs. blind one is a definite re-raise though, lots of value to be had with QQ in blind battles.
The thing I don't get about flatting QQ pre a lot is that when you cold call PF and then wake up on the flop, it's like you're over-representing your hand... say you flat and it comes J42r and you raise, you're basically representing a set, which is a bad thing because your actual hand has much less relative value so you tend to get action from much bigger hands. Alternatively I guess you can just call down and under-represent your hand, but that seems sub-optimal. |
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Re: Flat calling with QQ preflop
3-bet the first hand, you are oop. Makes it much easier to play. Second is meh.
personally, I don't flat call this ever preflop. |
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Re: Flat calling with QQ preflop
I think I'd be more apt to flat in position preflop so you're not c/ring dry boards and having the bottom end of your perceived range with a pretty strong hand or c/c then the turn checks through or something.
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Re: Flat calling with QQ preflop
1. c/c flop, donk a safe turn maybe?
2. call 3. c/c flop, prolly check turn. And I really hate the flat call in the blind battle fwiw. You're losing sooooooooooooooo much value here. |
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Re: Flat calling with QQ preflop
These are all fine spots to flat from time to time. Hand 1 and 3 I'd check/call. Hand 2 just call and play the turn.
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Re: Flat calling with QQ preflop
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I saw it mentioned in a cardrunners video I think and a friend of mine mentioned it to me that i should be mixing it up with flatcalls and raises with QQ. [/ QUOTE ] I think this is a highly dubious idea vs. the usual bunch of idiots at 100NL. |
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Re: Flat calling with QQ preflop
gah, flatcalling QQ oop... shield my eyes!
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