KJs multiway on a paired flop

Wolfram · #1 10-10-2007, 05:48 PM

No read on villain. Should I raise the turn to try to charge draws or just call down?

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Preflop: Hero is BB with K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
UTG calls, 1 fold, CO calls, 1 fold, SB completes, Hero raises, UTG calls, CO calls, SB calls.

Flop: (8 SB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, UTG calls, CO calls, SB raises, Hero calls, UTG calls, CO calls.

Turn: (8 BB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB bets, Hero ???

RudeboyOi · #2 10-10-2007, 05:56 PM

let him barrel off again into you

you can raise/fold a nonclub river
if you think he wont bluffraise you
and will pay off with a worse hand

otherwise just call

Oink · #3 10-10-2007, 05:58 PM

The pot is getting big. By raising you will charge flush draws behind you.

The problem is that if you raise and someone 3-bets the pot while it protected you will be getting about 15 or 16:1 so folding is really iffy.

I dunno really. I think you just gotta grit your teeth and raise. Folding fd's or have them call 2 is nice either way.

RudeboyOi · #4 10-10-2007, 06:04 PM

id feel a hell of a lot more comfortable
making this raise if the flop was 99cKc

if you know he'll fire another barrel
with a missed flush on the river
calling the turn nets you the same amount of bets

although if you raise the turn and dont get 3bet
you have an easy value bet on the river

if you call the turn
i particularly like the a raise on a spade
i doubt youll get 3bet often and still get paid off by worse

i also dont like raising a turn here
since calling down and folding to a 3b both seem nitty

do you have any stats on this player?

Oink · #5 10-10-2007, 06:08 PM

If the pot was HU I'd agree with you completely.

But the fact that its a 4-way pot makes raising better. Not sure if its enough to actually raise. I prolly end up calling down myself at the table

RudeboyOi · #6 10-10-2007, 06:13 PM

oink

ask brassmonkey

i suck at reading hand histories [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

its multiway let me rethink this one a bit

CR the LAGs · #7 10-10-2007, 06:15 PM

is raising kjs form the big standard when it's only 4-way? if so what other hands should i be doing this with? same hands id raise utg?

RudeboyOi · #8 10-10-2007, 06:19 PM

okay since he c/r the field
he could easily have a flushdraw
raising on pure equity alone
his hand is also protected from a raise
for fear he may have an 8
id raise and fold to 3 if one of the players behind us 3bs id have a feeling wed be drawing to one out at that point
if we get called behind us and the sb 3bets
i think we have no choice but to call down
only thing im unsure of is if the players behind us fold
and the sb decides to still 3bet
i feel compelled to fold yet the pots huge
and i want to calldown

BubbleMint · #9 10-10-2007, 06:36 PM

I dont think SB is check raising the field on the flop, then leading the turn without an 8 or a K that beats us.

If you raise and he 3 towns, I think this has to be an 8, then you are drawing to 2 outs.

I think a raise and fold to any 3 bet is the best play, unless all call your raise and sb 3 bets, then we have 2 outs to hit for one bet in a huge pot.

RudeboyOi · #10 10-10-2007, 06:45 PM

we have one out at that very most at that point
and for only half the pot if we need to improve
if indeed the sb does have an 8
of the three players left in the pot
one of them has to at least have a K
all we can pray for is that our kicker is best
and that also the sb is on a flushdraw
and possibly one of the other two is also
but at that point the pot is astronimicaly huge
and just hope all these ifs are true