CBing Strong Flops against Fit-or-Folds

[ICMoney]

CBing strong hands against people who play fit-or-fold (folding 75, 80%, etc to CBs)

The player could be a 15/5 nit or a 45/10 fish.

Someone who folds to CBs 75% is probably just looking at his cards and the board.

Against a thinking player I CB the same amount whether I have air or top set.


I CB 100% of the time w/ 22, 78s etc on a AQ6r but was wondering what the best play is with AQ, AA, etc. on that AQ6r in/out of position. Assume 100bb.

Is it better to check the flop and try to let him see weakness or catch a piece or do you just fire flop like normal?

I usually just bet out and think I might be losing value.

Thoughts?
Thanks.

[pikeamus]

I think I've been losing value here also. I strongly suspect that the fold to c-bet stat might be a one of the most important stats to look at when playing micro limits for just this reason.

[thac]

If you fire the flop when you're bluffing, but check the flop when you have a hand, that doesn't make much sense does it?

[corsakh]

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[ICMoney]

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I think Ama is coming for you [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]


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[img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img] No idea but I hope that's a good thing.

[ICMoney]

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If you fire the flop when you're bluffing, but check the flop when you have a hand, that doesn't make much sense does it?

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Like I said, I only do this against someone who folds to CB 80% or something.

Someone who folds that much is obviously not think about my range, whether to float or CR bluff. I doubt he notices how often I CB him.

Against a regular player I CB with monsters, marginal hands and air.

[thac]

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If you fire the flop when you're bluffing, but check the flop when you have a hand, that doesn't make much sense does it?

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Like I said, I only do this against someone who folds to CB 80% or something.

Someone who folds that much is obviously not think about my range, whether to float or CR bluff. I doubt he notices how often I CB him.

Against a regular player I CB with monsters, marginal hands and air.

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I realize that, but if they have something, they're gonna call. If they don't have anything on a AQ2, and you have AQ or something - the only way they're gonna catch up is to something that beats you.

[thac]

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If you fire the flop when you're bluffing, but check the flop when you have a hand, that doesn't make much sense does it?

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Like I said, I only do this against someone who folds to CB 80% or something.

Someone who folds that much is obviously not think about my range, whether to float or CR bluff. I doubt he notices how often I CB him.

Against a regular player I CB with monsters, marginal hands and air.

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I realize that, but if they have something, they're gonna call. If they don't have anything on a AQ2, and you have AQ or something - the only way they're gonna catch up is to something that beats you.

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To clarify - don't slowplay anything that won't be ahead if villain catches up. If you have AA on a A95, it wouldn't matter if you played it a bit slow. But when you have AJ on a AQ2, you just wanna bet and get money from lesser aces, because he's not gonna call a bet with JT if he turns a T. He's only putting a bunch of money in the pot with a turned set or straight or something that will beat an ace.

[centgas]

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If you fire the flop when you're bluffing, but check the flop when you have a hand, that doesn't make much sense does it?

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Like I said, I only do this against someone who folds to CB 80% or something.

Someone who folds that much is obviously not think about my range, whether to float or CR bluff. I doubt he notices how often I CB him.

Against a regular player I CB with monsters, marginal hands and air.

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And when people sit scared of villain folding when you have a set or top2, they forget that they are only going to win a big pot if villain has anything anyway. So if you are betting without a hand, then bet when you hit because they are more likely to get annoyed at your constant betting and not believe you. It can look more suspicious to play cautiouisly then spring into action. The exeption is when you are up against a short stack.

Do you lead, do you check raise... think about the type of opponent you are against, and what you have done previously...

[Nemesis69]

On $2NL you can trap players EVERY time. But on higher stakes people will notice this imo.