NL 100 - Flopped Straight facing annoying turn

solvine · #1 10-09-2007, 05:53 PM

Full Tilt Poker, $0.50/$1 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 8 Players
LegoPoker Hand History Converter

SB: $107.80
Hero (BB): $169.30
UTG: $102.85
UTG+1: $54.70
MP1: $108.60
MP2: $126.50
CO: $99.45
BTN: $102.10

Pre-Flop: 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (BB)
3 folds, MP2 calls $1, CO folds, BTN calls $1, SB calls $0.50, Hero checks

Flop: ($4) T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (4 Players)
SB checks, Hero bets $3.50, MP2 raises to $12, 2 folds, Hero raises to $40, MP2 calls $28

Turn: ($84) 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero ????

villain is 23/4.9/0.62

is there anyway to play this apart from b/c

i know i should have made it like 45-50 on flop which would have made it a lot easier to play

AlexB182 · #2 10-09-2007, 06:26 PM

I think the way he played that does not look as if villain is on a flush draw but the main problem is: when you bet again now, you're pretty much committed to the pot.
Effective stacks are about 125, you have both invested about 40 $ so far. Your turn bet has to be (if you bet again) at least 50 bucks, at least I'd prefer a little more. If villains shoves then you have to pay another 30 bucks to win a 210 bucks pot which you pretty much can't fold.
IMO, he rather has a set here. I think he would raise AQs and AKs PF, right? With KQS, he would shove on the flop IMO cause that's a huge draw. That leaves only hands like 87s,98s,76s for a FD he could have here, are those in his range?
So, as mentionend, I expect to see a set or two pair more often here than a FD.

Johnes Benjamin · #3 10-09-2007, 07:08 PM

Unless you have a specific read I would not put him on a flush very often.
The turn does suck, but only b/c it might kill action from 2pair/set hands.

I would just shove here.

b/c is really bad IMO. he will check behind everything you are beating and probably flush too. The only reason to check is to check again on river and hope he doesn't bet too much, you might save yourself $25 or so if he does have it.

It will also give him time to fill up or even have another spade come which will absolutely kill all your action or worse yet have him back into a flush.

five4suited · #4 10-09-2007, 07:29 PM

With an AF that low, I doubt he semi-bluff raised the flop. Bet unless you're pretty sure he will (so you can CRAI). A lot of cards can kill your action... I'd just shove.

solvine · #5 10-09-2007, 07:31 PM

b/c is really bad IMO.

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i thought b/c = bet/call , isnt that what i was implying???

effang · #6 10-09-2007, 08:21 PM

don't worry man, just get it in. turn sucks not because you're dead but because you're going to lose action. i guess if you're losing on the turn, you're losing to 89ss.