NL50 got myself in a sticky situation with TP & FD....

[swainy]

UTG+1 is solid TAG 20/10/2 over 113 hands
BTN is LAG 44/15/7 over 48 hands
SB is fishy at 36/7/1 over 72 hands

BTN and SB had been calling most raises with whatever junk they were holding so i felt i could call here with my suited one-gapper and the pot would be multiway, hopefully i could break the TAG.

Poker Stars, $0.25/$0.50 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 9 Players
LegoPoker Hand History Converter

UTG: $37.50
UTG+1: $39.35
UTG+2: $17.45
MP1: $58.35
Hero (MP2): $48
CO: $72.10
BTN: $27
SB: $9.40
BB: $18.25

Pre-Flop: 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (MP2)
UTG folds, <font color="red">UTG+1 raises to $2</font>, 2 folds, Hero calls $2, CO folds, BTN calls $2, SB folds, BB calls $1.50

Flop: ($8.25) T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (4 Players)
BB checks, UTG+1 checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $5</font>, <font color="red">BTN raises to $12.50</font>, 2 folds, <font color="red">Hero ??? </font>

obviously, the BTN has put half his stack in here, but its not much of raise. My feeling is that I need to commit to this pot here, although I know I'm most likely behind and there's no way he's folding.
He could have a set of 3s or 4s, which cuts my number of outs, but that doesn't kill any of my flush outs since i hold Td. There are far more hand combos for T9, JT, QT, KT and AT, so i think he's more likely to be holding one of these which gives me 12 outs. AJs is possible too, in which case i'm ahead.

What are the arguments for calling, raising all-in or folding?
I don't like calling at all because then he is going all in on turn anyway and i'll have to call.
I don't want to fold because this guy's range is pretty wide and I probably have 12 good outs.
I'm not thrilled about raising all in either as there is virtually no chance he'll fold, so I'm basically just trying to get lucky..

advice suggestions tips and criticisms all welcome

thanks [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

[AceHigh]

The button is such a lag I think I would push and take my chances. As long as he doesn't have a set you are pretty much even money against the rest of his holdings (overpairs, tptk, etc).

You can't wait to the turn because he might fold if the flush gets there and if it doesn't you lose a lot of equity.

Course this all depends on how LAG the button is, if he's has say a 33% chance to have a set here, then I'd fold.

[swainy]

i dont think he's anywhere near 33% for holding a set here. like a said, there's a ton of combos involving a ten with a better kicker than me, and he would definitely raise here with TP.

[SlightlyMad]

As PNLH points out, you have to have a plan when you put that $5 bet in.

If his stack was deeper (say he started with $50), I'd be pitching the hand to his raise. If his stack were a little smaller (say he has only $5 behind after the raise), I'd be jamming the pot and sighing when he beats me. But he's left you an interesting proposition with a low SPR and a drawing hand that hit top pair. Your top pair is pretty weak, but it's very unlikely that he has JJ+.

I personally think pushing is the right answer based on his stack size. His small raise gives you a little bit of fold equity on the push (assuming you play a TAG game). And he's only a 70-30% favourite on 44 or 33, so I'm not sure that even if he's 33% likely to have a set here that you're getting the right odds to fold.

[swainy]

what about checking instead of betting out the $5?

[AceHigh]

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dont think he's anywhere near 33% for holding a set here. like a said, there's a ton of combos involving a ten with a better kicker than me, and he would definitely raise here with TP.

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In general, I agree, most LAGs won't have a set here most times, but there are all different kind of LAGs.

[AceHigh]

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what about checking instead of betting out the $5?

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You have way too much pot equity to check, you need to bet this flop, imho.

[CalledDownLight]

shove

[Split Suit]

1.) reload pf
2.) dont call pf when the idiots dont have full+ stacks where we get the greatest part of our implied odds
3.) if ur calling pf to get this flop, ur stacking off against shortstacks
4.) bet the flop a lil larger (6.5-7)
5.) 3b push, get it all in, sigh when u lose a coinflip

[CalledDownLight]

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1.) reload pf

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OMG R U SERIOUS?