C-bet sizing

[VegasRunner]

I was wondering if anyone had any thoughts on how big to make a standard c-bet because in my mind, it can seem a little arbitary at time. Generally speaking, the larger the c-bet, the more is being put at risk, but the more likely the villian is to fold.

My c-bet might grow depending on the opponent, my normal c-bet is about 60% of the pot. 60% seems to be enough to make a decent villian fold if he has completely missed the flop, but in my experience, anything smaller seems too look like weakness and is likely to get check-raised by a bluff.

I like 60% because when I do have TPTK or better and it's a value bet, it's small enough that most people will incorrectly draw at their hands hoping that I'm going to justify their draw with a call if they turn the visible draw.

I realize that this c-bet is probably smaller than most people's. I'm fine with that, but I'd like to hear some other thoughts--particularly from people who disagrees with me.

(Please don't respond only by saying that a c-bet is dependent on the villian's tightness or aggressiveness. I think most of us know that the best c-bet is the smallest that gets the job done the highest percentage of the time and I realize that it's going to change based on your read of the villian. I'm more interested in replies taking a general stance rather than giving a response about how incomplete my question is.)

[SammyG-SD]

-Here is my opinion. I only c-bet HU or 3-way. OP HU I cbet a little bigger than 3/4 of the pot, PSB 3-way (don't c-bet to often 3-way OP, board needs to be low and uncordinated), unless its a paired board then I am closer to 60%. In postion HU and 3-way I am closer to 60%.

[EN09]

i'll fluctuate between 75% to pot depending upon flop texture. if 2 or more coldcall a pfr i'll let it go and see what happens on the flop. if checked thru, i'll pot the turn. HU i'll c-bet 99% of the time.

EN

[Johnes Benjamin]

I have found lately that cbet sizing is very key to whether I am winning or losing. I try to size my cbet not only on villain and his perception of me, but on the board texture.
I agree with Sammy that position is important too.

An A or K high flop in position won't require as much $ as a less scary flop OOP.

[Bostik]

*grunch*

I'd go as far as to say that c-bet size should vary according to the flop texture. It shouldn't be an obvious c-bet but look like any solid bet with a good hand.

Normally you want to give your opponents as little information about your holdings as possible, so the bet size should be pretty standard. That way you're betting roughly the same portion of the pot independent of whether you hit the flop or not.

But then, let's say that the flop is butt-ugly K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. Regardless of what you hold, if you're betting with that board, the bet really needs to be bigger than usual. That board has pretty much every draw under the sun, so your bet must declare that you want your opponent to either make a very expensive call or announce their hand right there.

Normally I bet ~2/3 of the pot. It is enough to punish random draws but with an obvious combo draw, I'd go to 80% of the pot or above. Note that my holdings do not even enter the picture here. If I'm going to bet, I'm betting like I have a good hand and simply go by the board.

[Panthro]

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[RapidEvolution]

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*grunch*

I'd go as far as to say that c-bet size should vary according to the flop texture. It shouldn't be an obvious c-bet but look like any solid bet with a good hand.

Normally you want to give your opponents as little information about your holdings as possible, so the bet size should be pretty standard. That way you're betting roughly the same portion of the pot independent of whether you hit the flop or not.

But then, let's say that the flop is butt-ugly K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. Regardless of what you hold, if you're betting with that board, the bet really needs to be bigger than usual. That board has pretty much every draw under the sun, so your bet must declare that you want your opponent to either make a very expensive call or announce their hand right there.

Normally I bet ~2/3 of the pot. It is enough to punish random draws but with an obvious combo draw, I'd go to 80% of the pot or above. Note that my holdings do not even enter the picture here. If I'm going to bet, I'm betting like I have a good hand and simply go by the board.

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QFT

[SammyG-SD]

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*grunch*

I'd go as far as to say that c-bet size should vary according to the flop texture. It shouldn't be an obvious c-bet but look like any solid bet with a good hand.

Normally you want to give your opponents as little information about your holdings as possible, so the bet size should be pretty standard. That way you're betting roughly the same portion of the pot independent of whether you hit the flop or not.

But then, let's say that the flop is butt-ugly K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. Regardless of what you hold, if you're betting with that board, the bet really needs to be bigger than usual. That board has pretty much every draw under the sun, so your bet must declare that you want your opponent to either make a very expensive call or announce their hand right there.

Normally I bet ~2/3 of the pot. It is enough to punish random draws but with an obvious combo draw, I'd go to 80% of the pot or above. Note that my holdings do not even enter the picture here. If I'm going to bet, I'm betting like I have a good hand and simply go by the board.

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I am not automatically c-betting this board, if I do it is going to look like a solid value bet, 70% or so.

[Bostik]

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Pure gold. Thank you.

[Renton]

there are some flops where they either have it or they don't and either will call or they won't. search these flops out, and bet the minimum necessary to see if they have it.