QQ overpair on montone flop vs TAG

[tbaarslag]

Villain is 25/19/2.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $2.00 BB (6 handed)

SB ($59.00)
BB ($191.00)
UTG ($449.00)
MP ($217.40)
Hero ($200.00)
Button ($244.10)

Preflop: Hero is CO with Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $7</font>, Button calls $7, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, BB calls $5.

Flop: ($22) 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $20</font>, Button folds, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises to $82</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero....</font>

Before you say "push!":

I think he never has a combo draw like A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]7 here. He will probably fold most overpairs, so what is the point in shoving?

[Symbolic]

I fold here pretty quickly. We're either crushed or only slighly ahead/flipping. I don't think he's stone bluffing here very often either.

[Clever Nickname]

Unless you know he can checkraise this sort of flop very light I would let it go. You're likely either flipping with a big draw or crushed by a set.

[Hince]

This is a fold IMO.

[tbaarslag]

Why doesn't the "usually get it on on a wet flop with an overpair" apply here?

[phantom_lord]

I'd check that flop a good bit, fold now.


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Why doesn't the "usually get it on on a wet flop with an overpair" apply here?

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because you're a big dog against his range, which is something like sets/made flush/huge draws.

[Imrahil]

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This is a fold.

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[tbaarslag]

What about calling as suggested in a similar situation here?

[manupod]

they didnt really say to call there either....

here there are plenty of combo draws, sets, diamonds, etc we can be up against. make a realist range and go from there- but i fold here pretty quickly

[abysss92]

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What about calling as suggested in a similar situation here?

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In your case vilain is 25/19 and seems decent and the other one vilain is obv a donk (56/5/4.0) and aggressive postflop.
That makes a huge difference.

Here if you are ahead you are slightly ahead (probably at best 55/45) and if you are behind you are probably crushed.
So easy fold.