50NL - missed value?

cashstrapped · #1 10-06-2007, 10:48 AM

hey guys, new to 2+2. Im not too sure about my river play here and whether i should have bet it or not. what do you guys think?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

BB ($53.75)
UTG ($74.20)
Hero ($48.85)
CO ($47.25)
Button ($55.55)
SB ($58.70)

Preflop: Hero is MP with J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
UTG raises to $2, Hero calls $2, 2 folds, SB calls $1.75, 1 fold.

Flop: ($6.50) K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, UTG bets $4, Hero raises to $10, SB folds, UTG calls $6.

Turn: ($26.50) 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $12, UTG calls $12.

River: ($50.50) 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero checks.

Final Pot: $50.50

hennnerz · #2 10-06-2007, 10:57 AM

Rebuy preflop. Bet more on turn. Then push river.

CPFB · #3 10-06-2007, 11:00 AM

I'd consider 3betting preflop.

As played, I'd bet more on the turn and then push the river. You're missing out on significant value by not betting this river.

lsaw2 · #4 10-06-2007, 11:02 AM

I'd 3bet pf 100%; i'd raise flop a bit more ~16; then shove turn.

As played I don't think they'll show up here with a flush too much, shove river; make a note if they do.

cashstrapped · #5 10-06-2007, 11:11 AM

Thanks for replies guys, now i look that turn bet was far too small.
Just wondering lsaw2, why do you think the flush isnt there so much with him c/c all the way?

Lostit · #6 10-06-2007, 11:19 AM

Without a read or numbers on villain, 3betting the flop is debateable. At higher levels, if you don't 3bet there, you're gonna get squeezed.

Flop, I'd bump it to 3X his bet, or $12.
Turn, I'm betting 75% of the pot, which then makes the river a foregone conclusion.

As played:
I'm value betting the river for an additional $10. Anymore and its half your stack and that screams value bet. I think $10 is perfect for conveying the right amount of uncertainty to your opponent that their Ax here might be good, and would give them approx. 4-1 on their money.

Also, I would have expected a value bet from them if this was a flush that made it, partly because your turn bet was so weak and I'd be expecting you to shut down on the river.

I'm putting this guy on Ak, AQ, AJ, or A10. That would make the most sense on all streets.

lsaw2 · #7 10-06-2007, 11:53 AM

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Thanks for replies guys, now i look that turn bet was far too small.
Just wondering lsaw2, why do you think the flush isnt there so much with him c/c all the way?

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Unless he's opening a wide range of hands like 9Ts KQs and calling a raise; i'd expect him to try and get it in earlier rather than calling down with the draw, I think you're much more likely to see AK/AQ here.

bazooka87 · #8 10-06-2007, 11:59 AM

I'd probably 3bet pre as well.
Bet more on this turn definitely, and like stated previously, this makes an easier river bet. As played, I'd value for $12

orange · #9 10-06-2007, 12:34 PM

PF is fine.

raise the flop a bit larger.

bet the turn a bit more.

shove the river,

sightless · #10 10-06-2007, 12:40 PM

turn is bad bet much much more

on river villain rarely checks if he sucked out on the river so bet