Decent overpair OOP on drawy board, line check

[Soul Rebel]

I've been in this spot a lot lately, and feel like I never have a good line. I hadn't been at the table long, but the villain is fairly passive and a mild donk, but hasn't done anything out of line though. He seemed like kind of the standard party poker calling station.

Should a turn push be standard with this guy? Any suggestions appreciated.

Party Poker (5 handed)

$400 NL Texas Hold'em - Friday, March 03, 13:16:51 ET 2006
Table Hopeful (No DP) (Real Money)
Seat 6 is the button
Total number of players : 5
Seat 1: fuchaboy ( $752.12 )
Seat 3: Gioto ( $620.80 )
Seat 5: TheToughJoo ( $294.80 )
Seat 6: nohonny ( $103.05 )
Seat 2: HERO ( $576 )
fuchaboy posts small blind [$2].
HERO posts big blind [$4].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to HERO [ T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ]
Gioto raises [$12].
TheToughJoo folds.
>You have options at Epitome (No DP) Table!.
nohonny calls [$12].
fuchaboy folds.
HERO calls [$8].
** Dealing Flop ** [ 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ]
HERO bets [$35].
Gioto calls [$35].
nohonny folds.
>You have options at Epitome (No DP) Table!.
** Dealing Turn ** [ 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ]
HERO bets [$65].
Gioto calls [$65].
** Dealing River ** [ 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]]
>You have options at Epitome (No DP) Table!.
HERO checks.
Gioto bets [$75].
HERO calls [$75].

[Karak567]

If he is fairly passive I can't see being ahead on that river.

[Big_Jim]

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He seemed like kind of the standard party poker calling station.

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Bet/fold river.

This board was not draw heavy... and the only draw got there anyway. Check/call on river is spew.

[Soul Rebel]

Big Jim - If we're bet/folding, how much to bet here? My other question is can we push the turn on this board with these stacks. I'm really starting to lean toward ending the hand on the flop or turn, and avoiding tough spots on the river with situations like.

[Big_Jim]

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My other question is can we push the turn on this board with these stacks.

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Naw, push would be a huge overbet, and is very likely to scare off his crap pair.

I would bet like $75 on river, and expect him to call with a lot of baffling crap.

[amoeba]

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He seemed like kind of the standard party poker calling station.

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Bet/fold river.

This board was not draw heavy... and the only draw got there anyway. Check/call on river is spew.

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Jim, I disagree. I think you missed that villain was preflop raiser.

[Big_Jim]

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Jim, I disagree. I think you missed that villain was preflop raiser.

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With which part?

I think villian has some middling pair quite a lot, here, although I might be giving him too wide a range PF.

Check/fold may be better than bet/fold, but check/call is definitely spew.

Furthermore, he is unlikely to raise us, even if he does have us beat.

[amoeba]

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Jim, I disagree. I think you missed that villain was preflop raiser.

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With which part?

I think villian has some middling pair quite a lot, here, although I might be giving him too wide a range PF.

Check/fold may be better than bet/fold, but check/call is definitely spew.

Furthermore, he is unlikely to raise us, even if he does have us beat.

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I agree that check call is spew. I think check fold is better than bet/fold. there are a few too many mid cards on the board and I don't like making such a value bet when theres such a narrow range of hands that I think villain calls with but that might be a leak.

I just don't think villain has 77-99 that often here.

[Soul Rebel]

Yeah, I agree that the river check/call is spewery. I mainly considered the turn push because there are very few safe river cards. Diamonds, overs, straight cards, and pairing cards will all be ugly. I'm pretty sure I'm ahead on the turn, so a push puts this guy to a decision and the hand is over. It also prevents me from making a mistake OOP on the river. I think considering this, the turn push is an easier way to play the hand, even if we give up some value from A7 or other garbage this guy has.

Other turn options:
--Checking is too weak, if he checks through, its much harder to fold on the river, and we give a free card on a scary board.
--Betting 2/3 pot to full pot, this is a guy who doesn't think in terms of odds and implied odds. If he has a draw he likes, he's going to call regardless of the odds I give him. While thats fine if he puts money with bad odds, my positional disadvantage kills a lot of the EV of this. I'll almost always have a tough decision on the river with this board, and I'll occasionally be folding a winning hand.
--Betting less than half the pot is pointless, as the bet will be so small we'll have only slightly more information than if we checked instead and he checked behind.

What do you guys think about all that?
I just don't think there's an easy way to play this hand that does not involve a significant amount of uncertainty and guesswork.

[iceman5]

I check the turn and go from there. If hes passive, he mightve called your flop lead with AK / AQ, but I doubt he bets the turn when you check to him. If he bets, I think he has you beat.