turn theory: bet vs c/r

[BalugaWhale]

im pretty waste dirght now so forgive any spelling errors.

okay, so as you start to develop your skiklls and move up to 100nl, maybe 200nl, you start to realize that you need to have more of a range than just mosnters to 2nd barrel or c/r the turn. If you have a very strong hand every time you put money in on the turn you will be very easy to read and very predictable. You will also miss out on a lot of profitable bluffs.

soooo, how do we mknow?

when to 2nd barrel:
1) when the board gets scary
i.e. you hold A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], you raised pf, flop is 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], you bet/he calls, turn is a K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. great turn to double barrel.
2) when you believe he's calling you lightly. villain calls w/ any piece, you raise with A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] he calls, flop is 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], you bet/he calls, turn is a 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], this may be a good time to bet if he is calling very lightly and is likely to give up.
3) when you pick up a ton of equity. i.e. you have A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] and you raise, flop is 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], you bet/he calls, flop turn is 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].

Okay cool baluga we have a cool set of ideas of when to 2nd barrel, but what about c/r?

we c/r when we have a fair amount of equity and our opponent is very aggressive.
Lets say we raise K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] and the flop is T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] and we bet, he calls. He's unlikely to do this with a set, but he certainly will with a draw, even a gutshot, and many weak pairs. maybe even A's. turn card comes a Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], if he's aggro this might be a good time to c/r as he'll be betting most of his range and we'll have good fold equity against basically anything but QT and sets. obv he could have Qx[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] but since we have Kx[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] we'll take that chance.

now that ive written this i realize that its more advanced than your stakes but still, think about it as you move up and learn how to play poker. think about how your equity changes, how the board changes, and what your opponents are likely to do based onw hat they have been doing.
much love
whale

[mookboi]

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[bazooka87]

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im pretty waste dirght now

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Haha sensational.

But nice post

[crunchi]

nice post, very helpful.

In your examples you have outs, should we make these plays when we have 0 or little outs eg. in your first example what if we have A5o.

[GSykes]

Man you are so money you don't even know it, but you do!

[bozzer]

lol ty

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Cool post Baluga. Could you give some more examples of the turn c/r?

[BalugaWhale]

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In your examples you have outs, should we make these plays when we have 0 or little outs eg. in your first example what if we have A5o.

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doing these things with out equity is bad w/o a read, id want at least 3 outs usually, like lets say I have A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] and the flop was 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], i bet he calls, turn is a K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], i might fire again there if i knew the guy was calling really lightly on the flop and wasn't really into putting money in on a scary turn. usually though, we need a fair amount of equity to keep going in a hand.

[NL Newbie]

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2) when you believe he's calling you lightly. villain calls w/ any piece, you raise with A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] he calls, flop is 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], you bet/he calls, turn is a 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], this may be a good time to bet if he is calling very lightly and is likely to give up.

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Id rather not 2barrel there, he'd have to call me really light for that and he may have say TT and call regaurdless.

But yeah, gotta widen ranges as we move up. However, now half of uNL will go and 2barrel every board now and get absolutely chrushed.

Dont 2 barrel fish would be a nice disclaimer. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

[BalugaWhale]

yah i realized at the end of the post that this isnt' actually practical advice for uNL, but you can still read it think about ranges, equities, and when to think about semibluffs and stuff.