3/6 QQ turn decision

ChrisV · #1 10-04-2007, 10:04 PM

I'm still playing so don't have time to dig this out and converter it, but will try to make it readable.

I have Q [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] in late position and raise to $30 after one limper. BB and limper call. Flop is T [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 6 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 4 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] and it checks to me and I bet 70. Only the limper (39/7/1.08 over 516) calls. Turn is 9 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] and he checks. Pot is 233 and effective stacks are 491. What now?

hesheatingup · #2 10-04-2007, 10:06 PM

Bet/get it in

Fudkthepanda · #3 10-04-2007, 10:09 PM

Bet $191 I think checking is pretty bad.

schwza · #4 10-04-2007, 10:18 PM

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Trivial · #5 10-04-2007, 10:24 PM

going on stats alone assuming no postflop reads,
i'm not convinced we want to get it in if this guy c/r's turn
furthermore he appears unlikely to bluff the river if we check behind
so i would b/f the turn for 160-190 and obv shove river if he flat calls there

I rebluff you · #6 10-04-2007, 10:42 PM

If you are afraid of betting/getting it in now then you should just fold and give him the money.

Trivial · #7 10-04-2007, 10:47 PM

not afraid, i just don't think a 39/7/1.08 is going to voluntarily increase the potsize beyond our own large bets with worse than QQ here

I rebluff you · #8 10-04-2007, 11:02 PM

I was speaking to the OP sir.

ChrisV · #9 10-05-2007, 12:51 AM

My experience is that even passive players will tend to bluff the river when they miss in spots like this. FWIW I just checked his stats in more detail and his river AF is 2.2. This guy is one of those passive guys who plays a lot of hands but rarely stacks off. He is obv a losing player but probably not worth buddy listing. If I get it allin on the turn I would definitely be losing on average. The reason I posted this hand is that the stack to pot ratio seemed really borderline. If pot is like 310, I definitely bet; if it's 180, I definitely check.

In the hand, I checked and the river was the 7 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] and he bet like half pot. I folded because I'm very sure I'm beaten when he bets in a spot like that. I think betting the turn would have been better but not 100% sure.

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If you are afraid of betting/getting it in now then you should just fold and give him the money.

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If you think you're winning when you get it in with this guy on a board like that, you're 100% wrong. The point of the post is more about the relative values of not giving a free card vs river bluffs when playing an opponent like this.

berserk · #10 10-05-2007, 12:55 AM

Sorry guys, getting it in here is usually very bad against said passive fishy player. And checking is also obviously bad, for a variety of reasons. Which leaves one option, bet/fold.