turning made hands into bluffs

[jfish]

this guy is like 20/12, high wtsd but more because hes curious than because hes a calling station. i have been in line and i think he has Tx, JJ-KK some portion of the time. i think its hard to put me on a bluff.


Full Tilt Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $10/$20 Blinds - 5 Players - (LegoPoker Hand History Converter)

SB: $2,027.00
BB: $2,023.00
UTG: $2,000.00
CO: $7,409.50
Hero (BTN): $3,155.50

Preflop: Hero is dealt 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (5 Players)
<font color="red">UTG raises to $70.00</font>, CO folds, Hero calls $70.00, SB folds, BB calls $50.00

Flop: ($220) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 Players)
BB checks, <font color="red">UTG bets $160.00</font>, Hero calls $160.00, BB folds

Turn: ($540) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
UTG checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $390.00</font>, UTG calls $390.00

River: ($1320) A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
UTG checks, <font color="red">Hero bets all-in for $2,535.50</font>


i probably have an aggro image, i squeeze/folded once. nothing has really gone to showdown. this villain hasnt been at the table much though, so idk what hes seen. no #s.

Poker Stars - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $10/$20 Blinds - 6 Players - (LegoPoker Hand History Converter)

Hero (SB): $1,980.00
BB: $1,970.00
UTG: $3,309.00
MP: $2,090.00
CO: $1,492.90
BTN: $2,127.00

Preflop: Hero is dealt 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (6 Players)
<font color="red">UTG raises to $80.00</font>, 3 folds, Hero calls $70.00, BB calls $60.00

Flop: ($240) 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 Players)
Hero checks, BB checks, <font color="red">UTG bets $160.00</font>, Hero calls $160.00, BB folds

Turn: ($560) Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $410.00</font>, UTG calls $410.00

River: ($1380) K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets all-in for $1,330.00</font>

[d2themfi]

I think a lot of this depends on history with the individual players. But ignoring that I think I like #1 a lot more than # 2. In hand 2 it seems like players call a high% of the time on the river once they call on the turn. Hand 1 I like cause your line has too look really strong to a nitty tag 20/12 when you shove after the ace pops.

[DJ Sensei]

1) I like, I don't think he can beat aces up, and it'll be pretty hard for him to call. Also I think you're behind fairly often here, so the bluff is def better than a checkbehind.

2) Also works, though you've got a higher chance of running into a monster here. Checking turn with thoughts of c/rai if you like how that stacks up against his bet size, or if he checks behind potting most rivers also could work.

[PoppinFresh]

I don't like either one of them, they're just completely unnecessary.

What's the point of your turn bets in each hand? Are they value bets? If they're vb's just check it down after you get a call and if they're not just check the turn

[Pudge714]

I don't like 1 because if villain is curious I think he will call down here a lot and every but 79 missed and I don't think you play the NFD like this.

I like 2, but I have no idea what sort of range you donk this turn with.

[Eagles]

Jfish,
Why do you bet turn for value in hand 1 if you bluff it on the river? I'm aware the ace changes thing but you are betting the turn in hand 1 for value so when he calls i don't like turning it into a bluff i guess maybe to get him fold out a portion of his turn calling range that you are beating but it seems pretty meh. This feels a bit rambly but why bet turn?

Hand 2
I rarely donk the turn(its just not something i do often with my whole range) but I guess it fits into your game. Once you bet the turn river shove is good.

[rand]

so if hes good i dont like 1 and i like 2
if hes bad i like one and donk like 2

basically im not sure what you are repping in 1, 97, or A8? kinda obscure

2. works cause of the flush but if hes a caller this turn and river smashed the [censored] out of a light calling range and destroyed you if he turned or rivered a boat...

[Lefort]

I love both of them in theory..

[Melchiades]

I can't see how he can call hand 1 or 2. Lets hope he didn't have AcAx/KcKx in hand 2 though. Though he should fold aces I guess.

[0evg0]

i love both