NL100 rr pot with two overcards

oli1980 · #1 10-03-2007, 04:50 AM

Villan 23/17: I have some trouble with rr pots. After he calls me rr i put him on JJ+; Ax, KJ+. For me the only hand I beat on this flop is KQ. That's why i don't cbet oop here. Do I have to bet the turn? Do I have to call the river? Please tell me why and what range you put him on? Is my range to tight?
Thanks!

Prima Network No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (6 handed) Hand History converter Courtesy of PokerZion.com

MP ($85.94)
CO ($15.28)
Button ($106.14)
SB ($120.93)
Hero ($106.58)
UTG ($133.63)

Preflop: Hero is BB with T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
3 folds, Button raises to $4, 1 fold, Hero raises to $14.5, Button calls $10.50.

Flop: ($29.50) 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, Button checks.

Turn: ($29.50) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, Button checks.

River: ($29.50) 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $14.75, Hero folds.

Final Pot: $44.25

Speedlimits · #2 10-03-2007, 05:04 AM

flat calling pf is better than 3betting here.
Bet the flop since your OOP and the board texture is decent.

If he calls shut down.

oli1980 · #3 10-03-2007, 05:09 AM

ok but how much should I bet. In rr pots I don't have to bet that big right? So how would $21 sound?

Speedlimits · #4 10-03-2007, 05:10 AM

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ok but how much should I bet. In rr pots I don't have to bet that big right? So how would $21 sound?

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yeah cbet less(less % of the pot) in 3bet pots definitely. 18-21 is fine.

oli1980 · #5 10-03-2007, 05:30 AM

Thanks. And you avatar released the next cd two days ago. Just for info [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

brandysbich · #6 10-03-2007, 05:34 AM

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flat calling pf is better than 3betting here.
Bet the flop since your OOP and the board texture is decent.

If he calls shut down.

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How is flat calling a button raise from a 23/17 better than 3 betting with 1010?

Speedlimits · #7 10-03-2007, 05:44 AM

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flat calling pf is better than 3betting here.
Bet the flop since your OOP and the board texture is decent.

If he calls shut down.

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How is flat calling a button raise from a 23/17 better than 3 betting with 1010?

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Because 1010 isn't that far ahead of his 3bet calling range. I'd much rather 3bet a hand like 22 or 33 because I want a fold.

Your expected value is a lot higher by flatting here against a btn opener because the times he will make a pair lower than 10s/c-bet with air you profit. It also disguises your hand which can induce bluffs.

Bonk · #8 10-03-2007, 06:10 AM

Flating pre here is standard IMO unless button is out of line. Check this flop all day.