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Old 09-26-2007, 09:38 AM
Schmitty 87 Schmitty 87 is offline
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Default 400NL getting owned by 1/2 pot bets

Thoughts on turn/riv calls? I'm thinking turn is ok but river is a dreadful call. In pokertracker I have villain at 35/14 over 100 hands but it seemed like he was playing looser than that when this hand happened.

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $4 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

SB ($577.30)
BB ($122.70)
Hero ($425.10)
MP ($380.80)
CO ($400)
Button ($470.10)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $14</font>, MP calls $14, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, BB calls $10.

Flop: ($44) 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $32</font>, MP calls $32, BB folds.

Turn: ($108) 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP bets $56</font>, Hero calls $56.

River: ($220) 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP bets $124</font>, Hero calls $124.
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Old 09-26-2007, 09:54 AM
ChrisV ChrisV is offline
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Default Re: 400NL getting owned by 1/2 pot bets

I don't think you can say turn is ok but river is bad, since if the guy is on a bluff, then given his stats he's probably not dropping it on the river. I'd just dump the turn, you're either not winning or getting bluffed on the river and you don't have anywhere near odds.
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Old 09-26-2007, 09:56 AM
ogdundar ogdundar is offline
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Default Re: 400NL getting owned by 1/2 pot bets

I think I c/f the turn. 76 got there and guys like this usually dont give a free showdown.
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Old 09-26-2007, 09:58 AM
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Default Re: 400NL getting owned by 1/2 pot bets

I would check/raise this river
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Old 09-26-2007, 12:44 PM
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i fold turn
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Old 09-26-2007, 01:16 PM
Montezuma21 Montezuma21 is offline
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Default Re: 400NL getting owned by 1/2 pot bets

GRUNCH:

I tend not to CB here, don't know if that's a leak.
I think it's probably a mistake to call the turn and fold the river for a 1/2PSB so i make my decision on the turn i think.
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Old 09-26-2007, 02:12 PM
DeucesNeverLoses DeucesNeverLoses is offline
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Way to get value-towned. If he keeps position betting, you can call this turn/river, but this is pretty spewy.
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Old 09-26-2007, 02:17 PM
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id have to know his street AFs to make a decision here....i would like this call down a lot more if his bets were bigger, the half pot bets are generally retardedly thin value bets
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Old 09-26-2007, 02:19 PM
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Default Re: 400NL getting owned by 1/2 pot bets

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id have to know his street AFs to make a decision here....i would like this call down a lot more if his bets were bigger, the half pot bets are generally retardedly thin value bets

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they aren't that retarded when villains never turn their weak marginal hands into bluffs.
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Old 09-26-2007, 02:27 PM
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Default Re: 400NL getting owned by 1/2 pot bets

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id have to know his street AFs to make a decision here....i would like this call down a lot more if his bets were bigger, the half pot bets are generally retardedly thin value bets

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they aren't that retarded when villains never turn their weak marginal hands into bluffs.

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turning our hand into a bluff here vs this type of villain is extremely marginal, loose players like this do not like to fold - especially to river c/r.
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