400NL: Flopped 2 pair w/ AQo on scary board. Checkraised all in.

[PIMP1111]

Villian seems solid running at 23/17. Call or fold?

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CO ($400)
Hero ($823.70)
SB ($491.20)
BB ($56)
UTG ($433)
MP ($886.90)

Preflop: Hero is Button with Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises to $14</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $52</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, CO calls $38.

Flop: ($110) K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
CO checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $68</font>, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises to $348</font>, Hero ???

[DrewDevil]

Of the hands against you that would re-raise all in, you are beat by: AA, KK, QQ, AK, JT.

You beat: KQ, maybe a flush draw.

Looks pretty bad.

[Albert Moulton]

You have an SPR of 4. Your preflop plan should be to get all in post flop on top pair or better in most cases given the size of the pot relative to effective stacks.

But in this case, while you hit the flop about as hard as you possibly could, you nevertheless got c/r'ed. Hands he might c/r-all-in with in a pot with the SPR of 4 might be QQ-AA (if he wouldn't have auto-reraised prflop with those hands), AK (again, assuming he'd only call your rr OOP with AK), AQ, KQs, KhXh, XhXh, TT/JJ (pair + gutshot trying to scare you off), or JTs. I suppose some percentage of the time he might have less and just be running a c/r bluff. Some of those possible hands, like air and TT/JJ might be unlikely unless he thinks you reraise preflop very light from the button and then c-b 100% of these flops no matter what you have.

The pot odds are about 1.5:1. So, you have to be good more than 40% of the time to call profitably.

If you think that he thinks you are very often FOS here because you frequently reraise and cb light, then you might need to call. If you think that he expects you to reraise preflop from the button with more premium hands (JJ-AA, AK/AQs), then you need to fold because he expects you to have hit this pretty hard, but he doesn't care.

Also, if he's very rarely tricky OOP with c/r's in 3-bet pots, then its a pretty clear fold, too. So, if by "solid running" by think he's not playing the c/r light about half the time he makes this move, then fold.

[MatthewRyan]

all in

[Irish Mafia]

against an unknown, who is playing "solidly," I think this is a pretty easy fold.

[aislephive]

Pretty easy call.

[Irish Mafia]

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Pretty easy call.

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Depends on definition of "solid"; and how villain views us (which we don't know) - i'm assuming we are playing pretty tight/straightforward. As is, we beat very little.

Your typical "solid" player is not cr-shoving w/ A-T (let alone calling the 3bet); nor is he calling a 3-bet w/ random hearts. I'd expect to be crushed here a good amount of time against described player; as he expects this board to have hit us pretty HARD.

Edit - I looked at his stats; 23VPIP is on the looser side, so maybe he's not that "solid".

[Laetus]

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all in

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[SEABEAST]

definitely call, a decent 23/17 will always be 4betting AK in cutoff vs button and there are only one AA and QQ, and if JT is in his range then so are all sorts of flush draws

[Yeti]

yip yip the 'usually 4bets ak' is key