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Old 09-25-2007, 01:51 AM
apunisher apunisher is offline
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Default JJ tough spot for me

Villain is 21/9/1.2 over 138
Im running 22/17/3.4 this session, and im a known button abuser, but im not sure if villain is aware of this. Either way, i expect to be 3bet with a much wider range when I raise on the button.

Whatdoido with this hand?

Full Tilt Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.50/$1
5 players
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Stack sizes:
UTG: $116.70
CO: $139.30
Hero: $411.40
SB: $20.65
BB: $143.75

Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is Button with J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
2 folds, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $4</font>, SB folds, <font color="#cc0000">BB raises to $12.5</font>, Hero calls.

Flop: 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($25.5, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">BB bets $19</font>, Hero calls.

Turn: 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($63.5, 2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks.

River: 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($63.5, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">BB bets $42</font>, Hero folds.
Uncalled bets: $42 returned to BB.

Results:
Final pot: $63.5
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Old 09-25-2007, 02:02 AM
EWS87 EWS87 is offline
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Default Re: JJ tough spot for me

what did you feel you were representing by calling on the flop and checking behind on the turn???

if im villain in this hand im betting river as a bluff a very high % of the time...i think you either have to bet the turn...or call on the river

as played i call the river
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Old 09-25-2007, 02:05 AM
apunisher apunisher is offline
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Default Re: JJ tough spot for me

i didn't bet the turn because of stack sizes, i am very vulnerable to stack-a-donk methinks. I know I am repping my exact hand, or maybe like KQs or AQs. But I kind of had the feeling that he wouldn't bluff river because he wouldn't think I would be able to fold my hand. Is this QQ-AA trying to pick up missed value more than a bluff?
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Old 09-25-2007, 02:10 AM
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Default Re: JJ tough spot for me

i cant see this guy with QQ-AA checking the turn
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Old 09-25-2007, 02:41 AM
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Default Re: JJ tough spot for me

I'd call, your line is really weak.
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Old 09-25-2007, 02:51 AM
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Default Re: JJ tough spot for me

I'd call but not like it too much, based on (limited) stats villain is passive pre and post so you could be easily shown QQ KK or AA here. Call and make a note
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Old 09-25-2007, 03:30 AM
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Default Re: JJ tough spot for me

fold. do you think he has TT? or AK? no he has you beat with AQ QQ AA KK and maybe a KQss
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Old 09-25-2007, 03:53 AM
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Default Re: JJ tough spot for me

If you are just going to call on the flop I really think you have to try and take a stab at it when he checks to you on the turn.
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Old 09-25-2007, 03:53 AM
Burcak Burcak is offline
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Default Re: JJ tough spot for me

When people check the turn and bet the river, I usually assume they made their hand on the turn.

However you also checked the turn. He has enough data to put you exactly where you are at. So a queen with a weak kicker also becomes an option.

For me this is an easy fold. I never check the turn and call a big bet on the river. If you think this is callable on the river, then just bet the turn and see where you are at.
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Old 09-25-2007, 05:17 AM
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Default Re: JJ tough spot for me

it looks like a close fold, i dont mind bet/folding the turn.
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